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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 14:37

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-accident-scenario-eu-waits-uk-blink-jeremy-hunt-a8459881.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1532348721
No-deal Brexit could happen 'by accident', Jeremy Hunt says

'My real concern is that it would change British public attitudes to Europe for a generation,' says foreign secretary

More on what Jeremy Hunt has said:

He's talking about how if the EU don't change tact, then there will be no deal by accident, because the UK won't budge from their position.

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DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 14:41

A useful exercise, in Brexit, has been to s/EU/Tory Party/ ... much closer to the actualite Grin

Hasenstein · 23/07/2018 14:50

because the UK won't budge from their position.

So still playing to the domestic crowd, then. Expecting the other side to budge, because we're far too strong to need to do that. How long can they keep this pretence up?

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 14:50

Well this IS interesting.

Trump's latest rant. Aimed at Amazon.
He has a personal beef with Amazon as it is, but the timing given the warning the head of UK Amazon gave, is rather interesting...

Westministenders: A Pickling Summer
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BigChocFrenzy · 23/07/2018 14:52

Nikita Younger folk have forgotten, or never knew,
but the UK had capital exchange controls from WW2 until 1979, when Mrs T abolished them.

This is an example of an emergency wartime measure - to prevent panic outflow of capital - which later govts found handy to keep for decades after the emergency ended !

DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 14:53

Can't link atm (using laptop on laptop, waiting for DW , using NHS wifi ...) but did anyone catch Trevor Noah on the Daily Show commenting on the UK presses first encounter with the Trumpster ? Clearly US media are way ahead of us on this one ......

DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 14:54

This is an example of an emergency wartime measure [- to prevent panic outflow of capital -] which later govts found handy to keep for decades after the emergency ended !

See also "licensing hours" and "income tax" ....

DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 14:55

Who's sewed some diamonds into their hems ?

BigChocFrenzy · 23/07/2018 14:55

An aside:

when I was reminding myself of that date, I also checked the exchange rate in 1979:
it was £1=$2.11
compare that to today's £1=$ 1.31
To remind myself how much purchasing power the £ has lost - I was 23 in 1979, doing my PhD.
When I was born, in 1956, it was £1=$2.82

So, the pound has lost well over half its value wrt the dollar, in my lifetime.
I wonder what it will be worth, by the time I fly away on the unicorn

commonarewe · 23/07/2018 14:56

This is why the non-populists are losing the culture war so badly - permitting the execution of terrorist traitors is an unequivocally popular policy with the vast swathe of the voting public who are not bleeding-heart loonies.

OlennasWimple · 23/07/2018 15:00

Also, post Brexit, will EU banking systems be able to work with UK ones ? With the UK as a 3rd country, I suspect movement of money would be much more effort

We regularly move money between the UK, the US and a third country (not in the EU, high up on the risk list for pretty much everything corrupt and dodgy) without any issues. Costs us about £12 to transfer £2000 to our UK bank account. I can't see that there will be such a divergence in banking practices that it will become impossible to move money electronically, particularly not in the early days post crash out our exit.

There is a small number of countries where international banking regulations prohibit money transfers, but these are all to do with funding terrorism, not Taking Back Control

Similarly, travellers are already required to declare if they are travelling with more than 10k euros of cash from the UK to a non-EU country. I'd guess that this will be amended to require travellers from the UK to the EU needing to make a similar declaration.

54321go · 23/07/2018 15:00

You have to hand it to the EU negotiators to have NOT said (in up to 27 languages) Read the £$%&ing rules morons!
In other news, Mr Hunt has declared that from next week water will be able to run both up and down hill.

DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 15:02

This is why the non-populists are losing the culture war so badly - permitting the execution of terrorist traitors is an unequivocally popular policy with the vast swathe of the voting public who are not bleeding-heart loonies.

Is it bleeding heart liberal to have anxiety over executing suspects these days ? Quite happy to wear the label. But then unlike some on this thread, I'm a fan of law and order.

OlennasWimple · 23/07/2018 15:02

I was disgusted to hear about Javid's noises about the two Brits who could be facing the death penalty. Am disappointed in him

BigChocFrenzy · 23/07/2018 15:06

If the Uk had had the death penalty during the Troubles,
there would have been a considerable numner of innocent Irish men and women hanged for crimes others committed:

The Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4 and many other lesser known cases where confessions were beaten out of suspects, or dodgy evidence used.

After so many wrongful hangings by the UK State, it is difficult to see how the Troubles would have ended.
Certainly not with the very cordial relations the UK and RoI had, up until Brexit

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 15:07

This is why the non-populists are losing the culture war so badly - permitting the execution of terrorist traitors is an unequivocally popular policy with the vast swathe of the voting public who are not bleeding-heart loonies.

And this is how the Nazis killed millions.

I'll just park this here:

Adam Wagner @AdamWagner1
This is super dodgy. Whatever these men are suspected of having done, Javid well knows that the UK shouldn’t be encouraging and assisting their being sent to Guantanamo Bay, where they will have no due process and potentially be tortured, and to the death penalty

Tony Homewood @TonyHomewood
I understand your concerns. The problem is that you never know where it will end.
But then a little bit of me says, "Yeah, but stuff 'em. They deserve everythingthey get and we'll just mollycoddle them in jail and let them out in 10 yrs." The yanks won't.

Adam Wagner @AdamWagner1
A little bit in me of says this too.

A little bit in all of us says this and will always say it.

That's what human rights laws are for - they are the standards which we imposed upon ourselves when we saw how that little voice led to far worse places.

The idea that there are 'bleeding-heart loonies' comes from a dark place indeed.

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54321go · 23/07/2018 15:08

I suppose even reintroducing the death penalty could have an 'upside'.
Hung, drawn and quartered would make great 'reality TV' with the upside that no one would notice their hunger afterwards.

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 15:09

The Margaret Hodge saga has gone legal:

twitter.com/margarethodge/status/1021369803129401344

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DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 15:10

There's a odd imagination that the state gives two hoots about getting the right person on the end of the rope.

Which is odd, as all the available evidence points to the contrary.

annandale · 23/07/2018 15:10

Oh commonarewe you are hilarious. Decades of work and legislation and thought and slog, plenty of it by people who would think of your politics as soft left, to stop the creation of martyrs prolonging terrorism by unreconcilables by stupid use of the death penalty, and you're prepared to chuck that away stamping around like a toddler. Stop being a naive fool wearing 'right wing' views like a fancy scarf. Real conservatism promotes stability, rule of law, fiscal responsibility, order, caution. Nothing to do with the fucking death cult hanging brigade.

DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 15:12

Very few death penalty fans would have the stomach for it. They are axiomatically cowards.

Pierrepoint had to deal with a few prison governers that didn't have the stomach for it.

It's hard to express the irony in the fact that some of the people who are so opposed to "dem Muslims" are the first to want to copy Sharia law Hmm. Probably something to do with most racists being a bit dim.

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 15:13

I suppose even reintroducing the death penalty could have an 'upside'.
Hung, drawn and quartered would make great 'reality TV' with the upside that no one would notice their hunger afterwards.

You could turn the BBCs Saints and Scroungers into Saturday Night Prime time TV.

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Icantreachthepretzels · 23/07/2018 15:13

I'm not disappointed in him - I'm not surprised at all. He voted remain 'with a heavy heart' and when he replaced remainer Amber Rudd as HS he immediately joined the leave cabal in the cabinet - upsetting the balance.
He is not and never was a sensible, pragmatic and trustworthy potential candidate for leadership. He is just as bad as the rest of the leave mps. It's just now - after making all the right noises about windrush (because it was that scandal that got him the promotion) he has now shown his true colours. But the evidence was there all along.
I hope, when the inevitable leadership contest does come up, the one nation tories remember this - and realise he is not the horse they want to back.

Peregrina · 23/07/2018 15:21

What happens if commonarewe is arrested for being suspected of being a terrorist? Her or his tune would change mighty rapidly then. 'They came for the Jews...'

Was Javid's stance another idea being run up the flagpole? I suspect so.

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