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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 15:27

Did you know it was a Brit called William Marwood who developed the formula for 'a humane hanging'? Prior his development of the long drop in 1872, it was common for the condemned to either be decapitated or not be killed instantly, so that the executioner had to either let them suffer or pull down on their bodies to speed up the process.

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Motheroffourdragons · 23/07/2018 15:45

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DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 15:45

I think the last word on execution methods is the Royal Commission report from 1957 (how many morons advocating the death penalty know of it, let alone have read it ?)

Hard to beat long drop hanging. The guillotine is very effective and efficient, but as the report noted violated the British sensibility for corporeal integrity.

DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 15:47

Did you know it was a Brit called William Marwood who developed the formula for 'a humane hanging'?

I know far too much about the history of the death penalty to ever believe in it.

TatianaLarina · 23/07/2018 15:50

Hunt is basically trying to threaten the EU that the Tories will blame them in the event of no deal. It’s absurd.

54321go · 23/07/2018 15:50

The suppliers of the lethal drugs in the USA are getting a bit concerned about their 'brand image' (article on the BBC website a couple of weeks back). Aretha Franklyn ?

54321go · 23/07/2018 15:54

Hunt using that sort of threat to the EU? Sadly most of those in the EU who are sufficiently interested can read English so if they had any sense of curiosity they would see straight through that.

DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 16:01

The suppliers of the lethal drugs in the USA are getting a bit concerned about their 'brand image'

Are there any US suppliers ? I know the EU told them to stick it, as have a lot of western countries that don't do the death penalty.

Did anyone see the Michael Portillo documentary on how to kill a human ? One of the most disgusting things was a US prison warder who, on being told that asphyxiation was probably the most painless death you could have smiled and said "Yeah, but it's got to hurt somehow hasn't it ?"

topdocumentaryfilms.com/kill-human-being/

DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 16:02

I think Leavers are trying to convince themselves now.

OlennasWimple · 23/07/2018 16:02

That Mischon de Reya letter to the Labour Party is rather marvellous

I particularly liked the sentence towards the end which noted that "the haste with which you sent your letter is is reflected in the sloppiness of its contents, which defies recognised standards of due process relating to investigations" Grin

54321go · 23/07/2018 16:06

Over chlorinated chicken and Krunchy cremes combined with a non existent health service will do it in a couple of years.

SwedishEdith · 23/07/2018 16:08

Frank Gardner
‏*@FrankRGardner*

UK officials have confirmed to BBC this is not the first time Govt has dropped its insistence on assurances over the death penalty for suspects facing trial overseas.

DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 16:15

UK officials have confirmed to BBC this is not the first time Govt has dropped its insistence on assurances over the death penalty for suspects facing trial overseas.

Didn't that come in as an obligation under the HRA ? Or is it a case of out of sight out of mind ?

Don't Canada and Mexico have a long history of refusing to extradite unless the death penalty is taken off the table (too much "Law and Order" there) ?

Icantreachthepretzels · 23/07/2018 16:17

UK officials have confirmed to BBC this is not the first time Govt has dropped its insistence on assurances over the death penalty for suspects facing trial overseas.

So when was the first time? I wonder if the name of the Home Secretary responsible for such an awful and shameful act began with 'Theresa' and ended in 'May'?

prettybird · 23/07/2018 16:20

I wonder if that's something that could be answered with a FOI request? Or would they claim that they didn't need to respond due to "National Security"? Hmm

OlennasWimple · 23/07/2018 16:21

Is this the first time that the media have been told about a letter being sent without the insistence on assurances?

SwedishEdith · 23/07/2018 16:21

Agree about Javid. He wanted freedom of movement just for those from richer countries. So, he and his mates would be fine.

OlennasWimple · 23/07/2018 16:23

Worth pondering that one of the actions that saw TM's star rise within the Conservative party was her refusal to allow the extradition of Gary McKinnon because of the risk that he would seek to end his life

ChardonnaysPrettySister · 23/07/2018 16:24

Oh dear, I wrote that completely wrong. I’m melting in this heat.

I meant it was wrong to to stop the opposition to the death penalty.

Death penalty is wrong, no matter what.

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 16:25

Emilio Casalicchio @e_casalicchio
Security Minister Ben Wallace says Theresa May "agrees" with the decision not too seek assurance on the death penalty re IS Beatles

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ChardonnaysPrettySister · 23/07/2018 16:26

Still, personal insults are a bit off, Rossetti.

RedToothBrush · 23/07/2018 16:30

Just let me make a point of this. These are Brits stripped of citizenship.

And the government are using this as shield behind which to excuse not seeking assurances re: the death penalty.

Post brexit, what is there to stop British nationals (or indeed British nationals with status similar to Windrush victims) from being extradicted with a possible death sentence.

Could we 'outsource' the death penalty and then just ship off unwanted criminals to other parts of the world for their punishment?

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prettybird · 23/07/2018 16:39

Although part of me wonders if it wasn't Javid himself who leaked (or "encouraged" the leak of) the letter in order to simultaneously establish his credentials with the "Hang 'em" brigade, demonstrate he is anti-ISIS, distance himself from his Muslim origins and (to quote commomarewe wash my mouth out with soap ) pacify the "bleeding heart loonies" Hmm

OlennasWimple · 23/07/2018 16:40

According to the Telegraph, BoJo has his fingerprints on the extradition issue too. Hmm

I can't quite work out from the report whether May supports Javid on this, or is just prevaricating... But the comments underneath are predominantly anti-May, which is interesting in itself

DGRossetti · 23/07/2018 16:41

Could we 'outsource' the death penalty and then just ship off unwanted criminals to other parts of the world for their punishment?

I will guarantee there is a white paper tucked away with that plan.

Of course the UK still decides on death penalty cases

www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jan/15/trinidad-waits-on-british-judges-death-row-ruling-as-murders-soar

Just no one talks about it.

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