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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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TheElementsSong · 21/07/2018 10:56

There may be a bit of minor inconvenience for some seems to be their line.

I do hope Leavers are not prepping in any way at all after all their confident bluster.

RosinaAlmaviva · 21/07/2018 11:02

Maybe JRM is working on that, delaying on any prep warnings until after Brexit
Gives time for zillionaire Tories to buy up wholesale supplies, then make a killing.

"I told you once before that there were two times for making big money, one in the up-building of a country and the other in its destruction. Slow money on the up-building, fast money in the crack-up. Remember my words. Perhaps they may be of use to you some day."

Rhett Butler, disaster capitalist, to Scarlett O'Hara, Gone With The Wind. Rhett makes his fast money buying up food, medicines, luxuries and cotton and holding them for higher prices. He's not too popular in Civil War Atlanta but does pretty well for himself.

Peregrina · 21/07/2018 11:14

She clearly said we waited before triggering it.
This is a lie. She is rewriting recent history. She 101 % did not choose to wait.She was delayed by a group of concerned private individuals.

Agree lonely - my comment was a bit tongue in cheek. Like all the rest of the Cabinet, if caught, lie your way out of it seems to be the motto. In this case, given that the speech was in NI, even easier, because a majority of the English neither know nor care about NI.

I think she must regret not addressing NI first before the trigger.
Somehow, I doubt it. I imagine she regrets calling the GE, not dreaming that she wouldn't get her majority.

placemats · 21/07/2018 11:58

This is Catherine Barnard on Brexit in June 2018

soundcloud.com/catherine-barnard/catherine-barnard-professor-of-eu-law-university-of-cambridge

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/07/2018 11:59

Really good clear piece by Tony Connelly in RTÉ
www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2018/0721/980069-brexit-tony-connelly/

placemats · 21/07/2018 12:14

Connelly needs to understand that there are 28 countries in the EU and it's currently known in the Brexit negotiations as EU27, not EU26.

Mrsr8 · 21/07/2018 12:46

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lonelyplanetmum · 21/07/2018 12:51

Somehow, I doubt it. I imagine she regrets calling the GE, not dreaming that she wouldn't get her majority.

Agreed. There was no careful cautious vicar approach when it came to triggering Article 50.

Much more of a gung ho ' go home' van type approach to it all.

lonelyplanetmum · 21/07/2018 12:51
  • vicar's daughter not an actual Vicar...
DGRossetti · 21/07/2018 13:24

vicar's daughter

I wonder how much dirt could be dug up on him Hmm

After all, seemed fair game to trash the Miliband's father. Why not Mays ?

Oh ....

barthsnotes.com/2017/06/05/conspiracy-theorist-goes-after-theresa-mays-late-father/

lonelyplanetmum · 21/07/2018 14:04

Hubert-There's loads of weird implications surrounding him. He was supposed to have been a chaplain with knowledge of the Eastbourne hospital murders - google Bodkin Adams.

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/07/2018 14:04

Rhett Butler, disaster capitalist,

Sorry to lower the brow of the entire conversation - but there is one major difference between Rhett Butler and Jacob Rees Mogg.

... Now who can put their finger on it? Grin
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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer
Peregrina · 21/07/2018 14:11

Pretzels the Leavers answer to this surely has to be:
"My dear, I don't give a damn."

placemats · 21/07/2018 14:21

Lots of money to be made post crash out

Only if plans were put in place beforehand.

ThisIsHistory · 21/07/2018 14:27

pretzels how about I put a Littlefinger on it?

Chaos is a ladder after all.

That’s the whole country he’s pushing off a cliff in the background btw.

Mrsr8 · 21/07/2018 14:43

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Cailleach1 · 21/07/2018 15:18

In the pharmaceuticals sector, companies said they were aware of potential shortages of vital medicines.

Yes, BighChoc. Along with the name. A QP for pharmacovigilance, an importer, and testing on import into the EU.

People were brushing it off as 'just a PO box'.

I remember someone asking about Pharma on one programme where Farage was waxing lyrical. He didn't want to talk about real things.

Arborea · 21/07/2018 16:28

There was another interesting programme tucked away in the Radio 5 Live schedules last Thursday: I stayed awake for ages listening to it, because it's been so rare to hear from 2 such well informed people: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b90h0j

BigChocFrenzy · 21/07/2018 17:15

The British Chambers of Commerce has 2 items rated orange;
the rest are all red

Westministenders: A Pickling Summer
Mrsr8 · 21/07/2018 17:17

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DGRossetti · 21/07/2018 17:21

The conservatives will never be able to call themselves the party of business ever again.

Did anyone think they were ? I was never convinced. They shat on businesses in the 80s. Then they shat on the businesses that picked up the pieces.

Now if you had told me that the Conservatives were the party of the Conservatives, I would have believed you.

Mind you, I never really believed Labour were socialist either.

Oh well, it'll all come out in the wash. Except blood. Blood's hell to shift Grin ....

Peregrina · 21/07/2018 17:27

The conservatives will never be able to call themselves the party of business ever again.

Yet people will still think they are on the grounds that Labour can't be trusted.

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Myrnafoy · 21/07/2018 17:31

Arborea I listened to this too and was amazed at how informative it was !
Actual experts discussing Brexit and
contradicting some of the cliched sound bites that are often spouted in the media. It was telling that the political expert who is normally on the show wasn’t there

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/07/2018 19:33

Just to point out again - I actually had to scroll half way down the page to find this thread just now! the brexit board is booming. The tide is turning.
Unfortunately I have just found out that there are plans to reboot Buffy the Vampire Slayer... and brexitmaggedon pales in comparison to that godawful news. I may be MIA for a while as I deal with what really matters
It is one thing to lose your country and all your human rights. But to have Buffy fucked with? Such an outrage cannot be borne.

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