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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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Mrsr8 · 21/07/2018 19:42

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TheElementsSong · 21/07/2018 19:48

Messing with Buffy? Shock

WHAT FRESH HELL IS THIS?

...Although 🤔...

Are they going to bring back James Marsters with as few clothes as possible?

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/07/2018 19:49

Not Buffy too!

I can't even stockpile for this!
WHAT IF THEY TRY TO REUSE SPIKE WITH A DIFFERENT ACTOR???!!!!????
And if they don't use him ... or Angel ... or Willow ... or Xander... then how exactly is this show Buffy? And if they do reuse them ... why remake a show that is already perfect?

On the bright side - as we won't have power or internet access following brexit, at least I won't have to see it happen. Every cloud and all that ...

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/07/2018 19:50

Are they going to bring back James Marsters with as few clothes as possible?

That's a negative. two words: New. Actors.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/07/2018 20:03

and .... < Voice of Doom > an AIBU has revealed that Galaxy Ripple has succumbed to the dread palm oil virus SadAngry

boatyardblues · 21/07/2018 20:08

Sheesh! Between Buffy and the Ripple thing, you guys are really in End Times mode ^^

CaptainBrickbeard · 21/07/2018 20:09

I don’t get why they need to reboot Buffy. The way it finished left it open for a sequel/spin-off. Bring it up to date, another Hellmouth and one of the new Slayers that Buffy activated at the end. I’m totally up for a continuation of the Buffyverse with new characters, but not a revamp - I just don’t see how it could measure up to the original.

borntobequiet · 21/07/2018 20:19

I’ve never watched Buffy. So no angst from me.

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/07/2018 20:24

I don’t get why they need to reboot Buffy. The way it finished left it open for a sequel/spin-off. Bring it up to date, another Hellmouth and one of the new Slayers that Buffy activated at the end. I’m totally up for a continuation of the Buffyverse with new characters, but not a revamp - I just don’t see how it could measure up to the original.

Exactly all of this. But Joss is apparently lazy and wants easy money and to shit all over the best thing he ever did

I’ve never watched Buffy. So no angst from me.

Go now. Watch it all. It will change your life.

Icantreachthepretzels · 21/07/2018 20:25

But not the HD version. There is no excuse for Buffy HD

borntobequiet · 21/07/2018 20:25

Happy with my life as it is, thanks!
Apart from Brexit, Trump and one set of idiot neighbours...

OlennasWimple · 21/07/2018 20:42

I was hoping that the Buffy news was some kind of fake news to divert us away from the other crap going on at the moment

BigChocFrenzy · 21/07/2018 20:46

US immigration: baby did not recognise parents after five-month separation

Is this where the Uk is heading ?

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/21/us-immigration-baby-did-not-recognise-parents-after-five-month-separation

A 15-month old baby who came to symbolise the US government’s draconian policy of separating migrant families did not recognise his parents when they were reunited in Honduras on Friday,

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 21/07/2018 20:49

Just got back from a wedding and wondered what the news was.
Buffy. FFS how low are these arseholes going to get? Angry
Totally agree a spin off with a different slayer would be a far better idea.

boatyardblues · 21/07/2018 21:02

Now I know how you fill up these threads so quickly. Wink

ConstantlyCold · 21/07/2018 21:26

I actually had to scroll half way down the page to find this thread just now! the brexit board is booming. The tide is turning

Really hope you are right. The BBC seems to be putting more about no deal Brexit on its news app.

I need to buy lots of Marmite. Ds gets through loads of that stuff, luckily it has a pretty decent shelf life.

TheElementsSong · 21/07/2018 21:32

New. Actors.

Well. Screw that.

If I can't watch Spike with his shirt off, I'm not watching.

Peregrina · 21/07/2018 22:00

Never watched Buffy and not planning to start.

I notice that Brexit related threads are popping up all over the place.

Mrsr8 · 21/07/2018 22:03

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RosinaAlmaviva · 21/07/2018 22:04

Sorry to lower the brow of the entire conversation - but there is one major difference between Rhett Butler and Jacob Rees Mogg.

Grin Two actually. Rhett never claimed that the war was a good idea, at the Twelve Oaks barbecue he warned the men that it was going to be a shitshow. No-one took a blind bit of notice, so he shrugged his shoulders and set about exploiting the situation.

ClashCityRocker · 21/07/2018 22:10

I too hope the tide is turning.

I think the crunch time will come when these notices get issued. I know a lot of people who didn't give too much of a shit about whether we were in Europe or not before they asked the question.

I wonder how many voters fell into 'no particularly strong feelings either way but I'm being told its the most important vote in my lifetime and I need to be part of it so I had to tick something' camp.

One of the reasons I'm not a fan of 'everyone must vote, it's your duty, this is what we fought for' mentality.
Increasing political engagement is good, of course, but guilt tripping people into the polling booths to vote when they are apathetic enough not to know what they are voting for is not great.

I just don't think there are that many who feel very strongly that hard brexit is the way to go.

Peregrina · 21/07/2018 22:13

May losing her majority should have told her that the country did not support her vision of a hard Brexit.

borntobequiet · 21/07/2018 22:16

Right now we all need to talk to people - friends, family, random people we encounter. Brexit is not good, Brexit is damaging, Brexit will make us poorer. Keep the pressure up as the media change their tune.

TheElementsSong · 21/07/2018 22:21

There's definitely a sense of turning tide. The Brexiteers around these parts are increasingly incoherent in their anger (and apart from a few notable exceptions, there wasn't a particularly high bar of coherence in the first place).

Mrsr8 · 21/07/2018 22:23

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