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Westministenders: A Pickling Summer

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RedToothBrush · 18/07/2018 22:55

May has survived. The Turd Way has survived.

Whether this is true is another matter. The Turd Way was hijacked by the ERG who ripped it up and turned it from being a starting point to another ridiculous declaration of believing in Royal Unicorns. Rees-Smug has declared May LINO (Leader in Name Only) in tribute to BINO (Brexit in Name Only).

No one yet has grasped the consequences for NI. The backstop was absent from the White Paper except to say, it would never be used.

Johnson also in his commons resignation statement lives in a fantasy land, saying we had 2 and half years to get something in place for the Irish border. Except we don't because we don't have an agreed plan, we haven't hired the people to do it, there is no guarentee the way we are going that we will get a transition agreement agreed to afterall; its entirely dependent on us meeting certain criteria.

Even the Irish themselves haven't got to the point of admitting the possibility that there will be an Irish Border. Under WTO rules, members are legally required to secure their borders. If we are separate members to the EU we have to secure our border and they have to secure their border. In theory NI could be a separate member to the rest of the UK but this would breech the priniciple of a border in the Irish Sea.

No Deal has moved from being an option to being a distinct possibility.

The Trade Bill passed through the Commons unscathed with a dodgy pairing, the assistance of Labour rebels and the brewery tour organising skills of the LD and Labour whips despite the best efforts of Tory Rebels. It suggests the ERG have the numbers to force things but there still are no guarentees of anything.

We've had calls from Justine Greening for another referendum; despite it being obvious that the laws on referendums being ridiculously weak and just about everyone ignoring the findings of the electoral commision and the Leave Campaign's referal to the police. Even then the maximum penalties are wholly inadequate to prevent and deter electoral rigging.

We've had calls for a cross party government of National Unity. Which has been dismissed by Corbyn as an attempt at an establishment stitch up.

We've had the former Head of DexEu (the department who have refused the most FOI requests) and various ERG backbenchers (who said that publication of documents would damage the governments negotiations) ask for transparency and for draft DexEu documents to be published.

Ian Paisley Jr appears likely to be suspended from sitting in the HoC from 4th September for a month for breeching parliamentary standards, losing May one vital vote. She has however been bolstered by the resignation of John Woodcock from the Labour Party pledging his ongoing support of Brexit (he's been a Labour Rebel in the past). Plus there is the O'Mara Factor whereby the whole country could be at the mercy of whether Jared can be fucked to turn up to work at all or not.

There are growing signs out there for increasing support for EEA though despite it all.

The Trade Bill now goes to the Lords, where there is suggestion they might throw it out, after the Speaker declared they had the power to do so as it was a Supply Bill rather than a Money Bill thanks to the Amendments the ERG supplied.

All the while jobs are lost and companies are abandoning the UK and NI has had the most violence in years, but no one cares because Brexit means Brexit and its all worth it.

And finally, when being questioned by the Liason Select Committee, May said that 70 Technical Notices for Households and Businesses in the Event of No Deal would be published in August and September.

The country is in a total pickle.

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 22:20

I know you will not like this, but quoting Tweets at every turn is easy. Analysis is not so simple.

Actually I thought you had a fair comment!

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OlennasWimple · 19/07/2018 22:24

I know you will not like this, but quoting Tweets at every turn is easy. Analysis is not so simple

If you think all Red does is post tweets, you haven't even read the OP been paying attention

keyboardkate · 19/07/2018 22:24

@Plonkysaurus

I wish, and many others do also. But here we are a few months away from Armageddon and all we see is infighting within the Tory Party. Not a good look! And they certainly do not have the good of the people behind them anymore I believe.

That is because we have been betrayed. And as for businesses? You know, those who provide employment for lots of us, they have not been consulted either, but have made many negative comments also. Very opaque to me.

Oh God, I am so weary of all this shit now. No plan, no analysis, no nothing apart from internal party infighting. So sad that the impact will affect everyone apart from the Mogglodytes and hangers on. They will not EVER have to suffer the consequences, and may indeed benefit.

keyboardkate · 19/07/2018 22:29

OK, RTB thanks for comment. I do appreciate your updates.

I just feel now that Twitter is running our World. And I am never sure how true tweets are TBH.

So truce?

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 22:30

This just happened a couple of hours ago:

NBC News @NBCNews
JUST IN: In unanimous 98-0 vote, Senate passes non-binding resolution expressing opposition to allowing Russia to interview current and former U.S. officials. - @frankthorp

Bill Browder @Billbrowder
A pretty decisive condemnation on Putin’s proposed quid pro quo of handing me and 11 US officials who assisted on the Magnitsky Act to Putin

Unanimous. Cross Party. Though non-binding.

Small Mercies.

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 22:33

I just feel now that Twitter is running our World. And I am never sure how true tweets are TBH.

So truce?

Haha absoluetely no truce. No need.

Just keep questioning, pull me up for breaking my own argument about the need for not double checking things and I'll be a very happy bunny.

Critical thinking FTW.

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 22:34

What did I say about Johnson the day after he resigned?

Now the Mirror are running it as their lead as apparently he's still there.

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 22:35

Front Page of the Times

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 22:38

Nearly Legal @nearlylegal
From a housing law viewpoint, this is not a tenancy but a (former) employment related perk. Boris Johnson is evictable at will and, if was told to leave, potentially now occupying as a trespasser. And we know how the tories feel about trespassers...

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Mrsr8 · 19/07/2018 22:39

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RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 22:46

Oh FFS

David Blevins @skydavidblevins
BREAK: In her Belfast speech, the PM will commit to "a strong Union of nations"; re-state that the EC's backstop proposal is "in breach of Belfast Agreement and could never be accepted"; and tell the EU it's time to "evolve its position", not fall back on "unworkable proposals."

We can see what this is a mile off. Its not about protecting the GFA.

Tom Scott @derivadow
The choice of language is, I think, telling. I think she normally uses 'Good Friday Agreement' the use of 'Belfast Agreement' suggests this is coded for NI and more specifically DUP?

Would Mrs May like to supply the petrol for the fire bombs?

www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/may-to-say-backstop-deal-would-be-in-breach-of-belfast-agreement-1.3570603
May to say backstop deal would be in breach of Belfast Agreement
British leader to speak at Waterfront Hall of ‘economic and constitutional dislocation’

Low. Really low.

Thats got me very fucking angry actually.

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OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 19/07/2018 22:46

mrsr I've reached the point where I wake up thinking so what's the random news generator got in store for us today

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 19/07/2018 22:48

Ah, and has red's last post reminded me and what is going to make me shout just fucking fuck off

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 19/07/2018 22:49

Fucking No deal brexit and half deal brexit and other half deal brexit is in breach of the GFA/BA/whatever the fuck you want to call itAngry

RedToothBrush · 19/07/2018 22:50

We will walk out of talks over the summer if this is the line they are now taking.

Inevitable.

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prettybird · 19/07/2018 22:57

Seems appropriate to post this again......Wink

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Mrsr8 · 19/07/2018 22:57

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keyboardkate · 19/07/2018 22:59

It is all so unnecessary isn't it?

Unless the UK feels it is so superior to everyone else and can bully them into submission to achieve their so called goals. (unachievable within five years ha)

The fallout from this will be disastrous. But what can we do to shake them into reality now?

Nothing. I expect them to just call the EU bullies and obstructionist Wait for it. Hubris knows no bounds.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 19/07/2018 23:00

pretty thats how I see the news now Grin

Motheroffourdragons · 19/07/2018 23:01

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keyboardkate · 19/07/2018 23:07

@Motheroffourdragons

I too was optimistic. I think I still am, because the alternative to a No Deal is just awful.

We need to place the blame on Parliament and our reps. They are not representing us, but their party. That is awful too.

Clusterfuk of the highest order, and I wonder what's the point in voting for any of them anymore. (I will always place my vote don't get me wrong, but we seem to be voting for vested interests and party political infighting now...)

colouringinagain · 19/07/2018 23:10

Please someone make it STOP!!!! ConfusedShockConfusedShockConfused

Motheroffourdragons · 19/07/2018 23:17

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keyboardkate · 19/07/2018 23:26

In an ideal world, wouldn't Yvette Cooper make a great Labour Leader?

Great speaker, passionate, and so on.

The current incumbent is just comatose IMV. But there we are.

Icantreachthepretzels · 19/07/2018 23:29

I have been an optimist up till this week, but I think it is now on the cards. I can't see any other solution at all with the politicians we have at the moment.

Yep - absolutely this. My plan for the future - brexit or not - has always been to win the lottery (yeah I know... but it was never going to be Neil Trotter from Coulsden either, until the day he won 108 million pounds). This week I made the decision that in the event of my imminent win I will not be buying a house in the UK. I've been planning to stash my winnings overseas ever since the referendum, but now I've also decided not to buy anything that I won't be happy to abandon if I flee the country in mid March. No house, no furniture, no new car - nothing.

I've found a nice villa in Spain to hide in.
( here if you're feeling nosy Smile )
I'll open a Spanish bank account - put at least 1 million euro in a Spanish savings account (they won't kick me out, then) and get an international drivers' license. Once the shit hits the fan and we know which way the wind is blowing - and if it looks like we won't be coming straight back home - I'll get in touch with an immigration lawyer and see about ways I can stay there indefinitely and legally (again the million euro in a Spanish account should help LOTS).

So here's the thing - not only am I doing real life prepping and getting ready for no deal brexit I am actually updating my wildest fantasies to allow for the reality of the situation the country finds itself in - so why the hell isn't the govt facing up to these realities and making similar changes to their plans?
It is truly unforgivable.

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