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If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow ...................

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TistyTosty · 17/07/2018 11:52

.......would you vote the same as you did originally?

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NotSureThisIsWhatIWant · 23/07/2018 13:19

I really don’t know what leavers have been sold when they voted to leave, apart of the idea that signing international trade agreements was a piece of cake and that the country would be free of pesky immigrants (I’m one of them, by the way).

I don’t remember anyone mentioning anything about stock piling food for the “no deal” scenario, or us being aligned to Trump as our closest ally, or London stoping being the financial centre of Europe. The only thing I remember is that red bus...

I wish MPs could accept this will be the greatest financial blunder of all times, and deal with it as you would with a tantruming toddler demanding to be taken all the way to Disneyland when there is not enough money in the house.

Now, to keep the promises of Brexit, it would be good for the government to ensure the Parliament remains a strong democratic force and to stop further cuts to the NHS.

AlisonCook · 23/07/2018 13:23

Yes. It is clear that we are going to end up paying more for less than being a full member of the club if we leave. Even Jacob Rees Mogg says we won't see any benefits in the next 50 years. That's all of my children's lifetime

PatchworkElmer · 23/07/2018 13:24

I voted remain, and would vote remain again.

I can’t believe that the government is seemingly willing to plunge us over the edge of a cliff, into a situation in which every possible scenario will leave us financially worse off.

AlisonCook · 23/07/2018 13:24

Yes, our government has used the most corrosive tactics. Like a spoiled child. What are the remedies for spoiled Governments?

Rosstac · 23/07/2018 13:25

NotSureThisIsWhatIWant The government have a choice to make stop Brexit and suffer the consequences ( political) or carry on with a no deal because that’s where it’s ending up, and suffer the consequences,
It’s all down to country or party now

user1457017537 · 23/07/2018 13:26

LoveinTokyo the one thing you can take to the bank is that history repeats itself. How dare you blame baby boomers. Spoilt Millenials are the ones who bitch and moan and blame everyone but themselves. They will also be the only generation to probably inherit from their parents and families, according to reports probably somewhere in the region of £200k. They had the pleasure of being able to attend university, something only available to the rich and privileged in the past.

Two World Wars were fought so that we could live in peace in a democracy. Not exist under a regime, be it fascist or socialist. I too could trade family war stories most people could, and it wasn’t that long ago either. The peace and prosperity we enjoy was at the cost of millions of lives

PerkingFaintly · 23/07/2018 13:28

You could always read the opinion of Harry Leslie Smith, 95-yr-old RAF veteran: twitter.com/Harryslaststand?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

LoveInTokyo · 23/07/2018 13:31

LoveInTokyo Of course you haven’t spoken to them, you cannot imagine the horrors that they would have faced to defend this country from being invaded, something I imagine would not happen to day as there is no pride in being in the U.K. being a U.K. citizen

I spoke to my grandfather about it many times. I was 30 when he died. My mother wrote and published a book about his experience which included his war diaries. I can assure you that he did not share your views and he did not fight for peace so that the next generation could enjoy it for 75 years and then risk throwing it all away due to their own small-minded xenophobia and ignorance.

You are literally taking advantage of war heroes who aren’t here to speak for themselves by presuming to speak for them.

You are the lowest of the low.

SoloD · 23/07/2018 13:34

user1457017537

They had to pay for university, and they can't afford houses. The Baby Boomers are going to suffer as they are going to have to pay a lot, and I mean fairly extreme amounts of money for their care in old age now all the cheap labour has dried up. Given how many voted leave I have little sympathy.

LoveInTokyo · 23/07/2018 13:35

My comments above also apply to you user1457017537.

If you want to play the generation game, fine by me.

My grandfather’s generation will be remembered for their bravery and sacrifice.

Yours will be remembered for throwing it all away due to their ignorance, small-mindedness and selfishness.

Mine will be remembered for cleaning up the mess you made.

Rosstac · 23/07/2018 13:42

LoveInTokyo My Grandfather was a prisoner or war in Germany, he and his comrades were beaten and nearly starved to death and threatened with being shot, he still fully admitted up till his death that he hated all Germans, he told he fought to keep his family safe and the U.K. free from rule by other’s, peace has come about more by seeing the death and destruction in such a large scale and the invention of WMD, let’s leave the war talk there as I have nothing but respect and admiration for the men, women and children that fought and died in the WW2

LoveInTokyo · 23/07/2018 13:45

Yes, you have so much respect for them that you presume to speak for them and are apparently unable to see why that is so disrespectful.

user1457017537 · 23/07/2018 13:47

LoveinTokyo I suggest you crack on then love!

My small mindedness, ignorance and selfishness how about we have left you a much better world than the one we grew up in. Your arrogance and ignorance is truly unbelievable. I suggest you get off your ass and start working towards this bright new world you have had no part in making.

user1457017537 · 23/07/2018 13:49

Ps my husband and I have employed numerous people over several decades and also took care of our family, all of them. What’s your contribution to society

Rosstac · 23/07/2018 13:49

LoveInTokyo As I said I’ll leave the war talk there.

Helmetbymidnight · 23/07/2018 13:52

My grandfather’s generation will be remembered for their bravery and sacrifice.
Yours will be remembered for throwing it all away due to their ignorance, small-mindedness and selfishness.

Absolutely.

Invoking the wars as though they have anything to do with farage’s and Rees-moggs Brexit...Urgh.

LoveInTokyo · 23/07/2018 13:53

Are you on crack?

Your generation has done absolutely nothing except enjoy the peace and prosperity built by the generation that came before and line its own pockets at the expense of the generations to come.

You have left us global warming and environmental damage that we can never remedy, sky high tuition fees, totally unaffordable housing and the burden of paying for pensions and healthcare for your generation that we will never benefit from in our own old age.

Moussemoose · 23/07/2018 13:59

user1457017537 - just a quick point WW1 was not fought to preserve democracy. If you want to use historical references get them right.

ShackUp · 23/07/2018 14:02

My great uncle was shot and killed by enemy fire near Arezzo in 1943, having survived Montecassino. My entire family voted to Remain, because we know that close ties with Europe are the surest way to safeguard against future conflict.

People who are pretending to honour fallen relatives with their pro-Brexit xenophobia are total ignoramuses.

ShackUp · 23/07/2018 14:04

Oh, and by the way, he was Irish and joined the Royal Fusiliers. That's selflessness, not some pathetic jingoistic rhetoric against the modern world.

LoveInTokyo · 23/07/2018 14:08

Absolutely, ShackUp.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 23/07/2018 14:10

cause we know that close ties with Europe are the surest way to safeguard against future conflict.

This

Rosstac · 23/07/2018 14:24

LoveInTokyo So you haven’t heard about any conflicts since 1945 then ? To name just a few Korean, Vietnam, Falkland, Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf war x 2,
The generation that has had it all, great health care, good schooling, university places, world wide travel, major advances in tech, computers, mobile phones, lap tops, iPads, the lowest interest rates ever, 15% payer here, working week hours lower than it has ever been , a enhanced benefit system, tax credits etc, etc poor hard done by you
My house dropped by 40% in the late 80’s negative equity for me, you wouldn’t know what that is, mortgage payers in the last ten years don’t know what a rate rise is, ( unless you include that massive 0.25 after that massive 0.25 drop,

Cattenberg · 23/07/2018 14:24

Both of my grandfathers fought in WW2, and one of my grandmothers worked in the NAAFI (my other gran already had young children). None of them voted in the referendum for the simple reason that none of them were still alive, despite one of them living to 95.

One of my grandfathers was French, and was one of the members of the French Air Force posted to The UK to serve alongside British forces. I wonder what he would have made of UKIP's WW2 rhetoric. It would probably have felt like a slap in the face.

SoloD · 23/07/2018 14:30

What has this country become?

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