If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow ...................

[TistyTosty]

.......would you vote the same as you did originally?

@blameitontheboogie, no worries 😊
To be fair the biggest vote from EU citizens so far is the one they made with their feet!
Out of a quite decent number of EU friends and colleagues I'm actually the only one intent on staying. The others have gone or are looking at jobs elsewhere. Shame as they were all productive (Not necessarily all high fliers but skilled people working in academia, research, media, childcare or hospitality)
It's been quite the exodus.
One of them compared it to being demoted: if your terms of employment change for the worse you'd most certainly look for another job.
For those who think it created opportunities for non EU people, nope! My employer needed someone from the U.S. to join the team quickly. Well paid position etc, big fat no from the HO. And no, it didn't create a new job for a brit either. It just doesn't work that way.

@blameitontheboogie Why where they being demoted? What had changed in terms of employment?

It’s called a metaphor, Rosstac.

EU citizens in the UK used to feel welcome. Now they feel unwelcome and as though their presence is resented, even though they as a group contribute far more to the UK than they “take” from it.

Imagine you were doing well at your job when your boss decided to start paying you a lower salary and give you a crappier job title and criticise you all the time for no reason other than the fact that some of your other colleagues were jealous. You’d take your skills elsewhere, wouldn’t you?

LoveInTokyo Sorry I don't get you , who has made them feel unwelcome ?
Why are they being paid a lower salary,
we want to leave the EU not Europe they are not being made to go home,

what made them want to come here in the first place ?

Lots of people from the EU feel unwelcome now, and fear that their rights will be depleted post-Brexit. Just ask them.

ADarkandStormyKnight I have had the ones I know are more than happy to stay as they call this their home now,
I don't get why they would feel unwelcome, they will not be asked to leave, it is more about trying to control unskilled immigration going forward

They aren’t actually being paid a lower salary Rosstoc, it was a METAPHOR. If you don’t know what one is then look it up.

The country has made them feel unwelcome by voting for Brexit and then doing nothing to reassure them that they are welcome and that the rights they currently enjoy will not be taken away from them. It’s not fucking rocket science.

I voted Remain and I have most definitely have not changed my mind!!

I still refuse to accept that any government of the UK will deliberately plunge the country into chaos and economic catastrophe. I believe that Brexit will not happen, as it's become all too clear that it would ruin us.

If the unthinkable does happen and the UK does leave the EU, I assume that it won't adversely affect the likes of Boris, Jacob, Michael et al. The rich will probably be ok, the poor will not.

LoveInTokyo well its a very bad MATAPHOR, my experience with European citizens are very different than yours.
We have voted for Brexit, not voted to kick them out of the country for gods shake, they are more than welcome to stay.
we are Europeans as well as them we don't want to be ruled by the EU

What is a MATAPHOR?

Your experience obviously is very different from mine. Most of the EU citizens in the UK are worried about the future, disgusted about the way they are being treated as bargaining chips and concerned about how anti-immigrant sentiment seems to have become mainstream and acceptable since the referendum. Many are making plans to leave it have already left. This is the reality.

Perhaps the ones you know are playing it down if they know you’re a leave voter and they don’t want to start an argument or make you feel bad for you part in it.

Yes, I voted to remain. I don't think hoards of "The Sun" and "Daily Mail" readers should have been given the chance to make such a huge decision in the first place though.

GreyGarden88 how dare you? What an idiotic thing to say.
The older generation deserve respect specially when many of them survived the war and the worse atrocities from Europe.
Let's not forget we've only paid not so long ago the billions we had to borrow to fight Germany.
I gather you probably were born in 88 what has been your contribution to this country?
I can't believe what you are saying. It's our constitutional right to vote. Nobody can or should interfere in how we vote or who should be allowed to exercise our right.

I think the issue is that the referendum put a question to the electorate that most of us were not really qualified or well informed enough to make.

What is this obsession with the Daily Mail, it only has a readership of 1.2 million, majority women, so I presume a lot of people on here read it, the other 16.2 million were not affected by it

ADarkandStormyKnight I agree with you there and obviously DC never expected a leave result, how very naive of him, it was more than obvious in my area

GreyGarden88 how dare you? What an idiotic thing to say.
The older generation deserve respect specially when many of them survived the war and the worse atrocities from Europe.

How dare you, more like.

People using the sacrifices made by those who fought in the war to justify their pro Brexit views really makes me shit itch.

My father served in Bomber Command, got shot down over Berlin and spent 18 months as a prisoner of war in Germany. Half his crew didn’t make it. He was 22 in 1945 and if he were still alive today he would be 95.

The number of people who even remember the war, let alone are old enough to have actually done anything in it, is vanishingly small.

Do the baby boomer generation think we’re incapable of doing basic maths? Let’s be honest here. Their generation did fuck all for anyone but are quite happy to ride on the coat tails of the generation before them and use a war they didn’t fight in to justify their bigoted views.

Disgusting.

(Sorry, should have said my GRANDfather.)

LoveInTokyo And the ones that still survive most wonder what was the point risking their and there friends life’s, to be in a position where the EU are trying to force us to remain by bullying and using scare tactics, perhaps they would have been better not fighting and let the Germans rule Europe after all

What is this obsession with the Daily Mail, it only has a readership of 1.2 million, majority women, so I presume a lot of people on here read it, the other 16.2 million were not affected by it.

That's its distribution figure, ie physical paper copies sold. The online version has 100 million unique visitors per month. It is the most read newspaper in the world.

Seriously Rosstac, you don’t get to opine on how they “must feel”. You are projecting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

LoveInTokyo Why ? What was the point in the mass lose of lives

MimpiDreams That’s not all in the U.K. is it, you’re telling me everybody in the U.K. looks at it on line, 100million is properly hits on the site

Of the very few WW2 veterans who are still alive and capable of expressing their opinion today, some have spoken out about their horror that what was essentially a peace project designed to bind us so closely to our European neighbours that we could never go to war with them again (and younger generations wouldn’t have to make the same sacrifices they made) has been so casually cast aside by the generation who have enjoyed the peace and prosperity they bought for for the last 75 years.

But I would never dare to presume what anyone who is not able to express themselves would have thought.

Have some respect for those who fought so that you wouldn’t have to.

Anyone who says this sort of thing can fuck right off, IMO.

MimpiDreams That’s not all in the U.K. is it, you’re telling me everybody in the U.K. looks at it on line, 100million is properly hits on the site

Did I say that? No I didn't. In fact I specifically mentioned worldwide. I also specifically mentioned 'unique visitors' not hits on the site (of which 30% is UK).

LoveInTokyo Of course you haven’t spoken to them, you cannot imagine the horrors that they would have faced to defend this country from being invaded, something I imagine would not happen to day as there is no pride in being in the U.K. being a U.K. citizen

So looking back what did they fight for,
So imo you can fuck right off if you want to sink that low to have to swear

the EU are trying to force us to remain by bullying and using scare tactics

Isn't it our own government using scare tactics like talk of civil unrest, martial law, stockpiling food, making giant lorry parks etc?

How on earth are 'the EU trying to force us to remain'? What they're doing, over and over and over a-fucking-gain, is listening to whatever cockamamie iteration of the same cake-and-eat-it shite Theresa May comes out with and politely pointing out how it cannot be done.