If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow ...................

[TistyTosty]

.......would you vote the same as you did originally?

ross

EVERYTHING you lost will be endangered by Brexit. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

*list not lost

Hah. Low mortgage rates are of no benefit to those who can’t afford to buy houses. They’re pretty good for baby boomers looking to let out buy to let properties to millennials who can’t afford to buy their own homes as a “second pension” though.

LoveInTokyo Honestly I would have loved to see how you would have coped Living through the 50,s with the illnesses that were about the filth people where living in, rationing still going on, growing up with outside toilets a tin bath in front of the fire, having to light the coal fire every day if you had one, through to the three day weeks in the seventies the oil crisis and the recession of the 80’s and 90’s ( we were in the EU then) , a car was a luxury, a foreign holiday a luxury, etc yes we’ve had it easy us oldies

Telling us war veterans would have voted Leave because they were proud of this country is awful.

One of my grandfathers fought his way up Italy clearing out German resistance. He wasn't demobbed until 1946. The other was torpedoed on one of the Arctic convoys and survived in a freezing sea full of oil by hanging on to wreckage.

They would have wept at Brexit. They were utterly for the EU, knowing that countries who trade with each other will probably not fight each other. And they were also aware, even though they were alive when we had an Empire, that the UK has literally never "stood on its own two feet".

That’s nice, Rosstac. Not sure what it has got to do with Brexit though. Unless it’s your convoluted way of telling us you voted to make us all poorer so that all these young people who don’t know they’re born can experience the poverty and hardship of the past as well.

PS - rationing? You DO know plans are being made to stockpile food in case we crash out of the EU with no deal and experience food shortages, DON’T you? Rationing could be back sooner than you think.

My mum who lived through the war and has a close relative with a George Medal for civilian bravery in the war ... voted Remain before she died because she couldn't bear this isolationist shit.

LoveInTokyo Just trying to point out to you your generation has it good too and the old folk haven’t destroyed life for you
You obviously know what’s coming better get prepared, unless the EU relents and gives us a deal, unfortunately they don’t want one,

@Rosstac - before the Eu "gives us a deal" , we have to know what we want. Not sure TM has them all on side.
It sounds like you're in a happy place @Rosstac . Not going to change your opinion so I hope you have a lovely time there.

Rosstac - my generation will be poorer than our parents. It is the job of each generation to try and leave the next generation with a better world than the one they inherited. The boomers really haven’t held up their end of that bargain, have they?

Amusingly, the same people who say they voted to leave the EU because things were better before and they want to take us back to a time when Britain was “independent” and “stood on its own two feet” are very quick to point out how bad things were in the 1950s as soon as you suggest that they’ve actually had a very easy and comfortable time of it.

Sounds like you need to get your story straight. Was the time before we joined the EU some sort of golden age, or was it really a bit shit? Make your mind up, because you can’t have it both ways.

bellinisurge I thought the latest white paper told (asked) the EU what we would like as a starting place to negotiate,
You must be in a good place, if you have nothing you can’t lose anything

A white paper that prompted several high profile resignations and more public grumbling.
Sounds like it's all in hand though, eh?

LoveInTokyo You will be better off the advances in medicine and technology, inheritance from house rises, try make your own way in life instead of expecting to fall on your lap,
I would have loved to have the holiday destination you have available now and the gadgets and the clothes available, I think you live in a good time, brought about by massive changes and no not all related to the EU

bellinisurge Yes very clever by the government to make it look like they are getting rig of the hard leavers, seems like a cunning plan

The white paper that says Britain wants an arrangement which would be illegal? Yeah, that's a good starting point.

In the short term we could be dealing with drug shortages if we crash out with no deal, leaving EURATOM could affect our ability to quickly import essential radioactive isotopes that we need for cancer treatment, and in the longer term the Tories are intent on killing off the NHS and the economic chaos caused by leaving the EU will only hasten its demise. These are benefits that YOU have had, that YOU with your votes are putting in jeopardy for US.

PS - please could you clarify whether I should be grateful for my inheritance (that you have no idea whether I will actually get) or whether I should be making my own way in the world and not expecting things to fall into my lap (although an inheritance is the only way many young people will be able to buy a house these days)?

Your messages are a little mixed.

@Rosstac , huh?

@Rosstac, you see the war brings out the worst and the best in human nature. I heard mire about forgiveness and love of freedom. My grandfather was in Dunkirk, holding the fort whilst British soldiers were evacuated. He and his men saved many British lives doing that but did not benefit from the little boats. He was made prisoner and only saw his daughter again when she was 8. He too was starved and beaten but he did not bring back more hatred (understandable though that is). Never a bitter word about anything (and he saw terrible things also afterwards being an officer in Algeria and Indochina). The only hatred he really brought back from all that was of fascism in all its forms, and of imperialism.

bellinisurge The government trying to make itself getting away from the hard brexiters

And in English...?

Nope @Rosstac - still don't understand what you mean.
Are you saying that this embarrassing humiliating shit is actually a plan?

LoveInTokyo then contact your local MEP and convey your wishes to him/her to make the EU to work to a deal, it’s up to them as well,
The NHS needs to reform and as a country we need to have a sensible adult conversation about the way forward as it is not sustainable they way it is, it was never set up for what it has become.
Make your own way, and then enjoy your inheritance ( if you get any ) pass it straight on to your children,
I don’t know what sort of houses you want to buy, but my grand daughter and boyfriend has just bought one.

bellinisurge I hope so

@Rosstac - we are being laughed at by the people we are trying to negotiate with. We look stupid. A devious plan only works if it .....works.

None of my grandparents fought in WW2 - do I still get to have an opinion?

Immediately post war the in 1945 election people voted for change - they did not wish to preserve their way of life they wanted radical change. The post war consensus was left of centre and the Boomer generation benefited greatly from the sacrifice of their parents and the fact that they voted for shared wealth.

WW2 brought Europe together. Without looking at the causes it is undeniable that we did not suffer in the same way as other European countries perhaps that is why they are more committed to Europe.

Of the many things we can learn from history if we look at the Treaty of Versailles we can see nationalism, vengeance, division and the urge for retribution help no one. Post WW2 people sought consensus and it has worked well.

Those looking for division now are not heeding the lessons of history.