If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow ...................

[TistyTosty]

.......would you vote the same as you did originally?

There are many comments on this and every Brexit thread I've ever read that underline my view that the complex issue of EU membership and all that it entails should never have been the subject of a referendum.

Throwing it open to a vote was a lazy party management strategy by Cameron that was stupidly reckless and catastrophic.

Yes (remain).

Amen to that, SheGotBetteDavisEyes.

Where’s the Godwin’s law? No one has mentioned Hitler, have they?

I would vote remain as I did in the first place since the current negotiations are a joke

Remain then, Remain now.

It's like the end of Toy Story 3, when they all go flying down the shute...except IRL there is no-one to pull the over-ride lever.

Johnson/Gove/Mogg are a nasty spectre overlooking the country.

As has been noted IF you are a right wing nut job looking for an authoritarian regime to emerge from chaos...then it's all looking pretty good.

So people voted Brexit to regain power and sovereignty and to get rid of Brussels 'unelected' bureaucrats and now Brexit supporters want us to appoint Farage someone with no democratic accountability to negotiate for us.

Consider your arguments before posting.

Actually he has been an MEP since 1999. I wouldn't say he is a nobody. Of course as a remainer you can't see that someone who has an opposite viewpoint to you. That's the biggest problem remainers have, they refuse to listen to the other side.

To answer the OP, I found it really hard to make a decision because there was no clear set of facts. Even today the information presented by the government is muddled making it impossible to vote as an informed person. For that reason alone I'd like to get rid of this government.

I’m interested in this suggestion that Farage would be a good negotiator actually. Leaving the problem of him not being democratically elected to one side for a moment... why do people like Supermum actually think he would do a good job?

What are you basing that on?

What are his credentials?

What has he successfully negotiated in the past, which gives you the impression that he would do a better job than Theresa May’s team?

Let’s look at the facts for a moment here. He’s never been elected in the UK. He didn’t take his job as an MEP seriously. He had a role as the UK’s representative on the fisheries committee and only attended one out of 42 meetings, and then complained that British fishermen were getting a raw deal. He is universally despised by the EU negotiators who see him as a jumped up little gobshite whose only achievement is to cause trouble. He’s destructive, not constructive.

So what has he actually achieved?

Well yes, he was instrumental in UKIP getting millions of votes and in the leave side winning the referendum. Great. How did he achieve that?

Answer: he did it by telling people what they wanted to hear. He promised them any old shit to win their votes, knowing that he wouldn’t be held accountable for delivering any of it because he holds no public office.

Why do you think it would be a good idea to put the future of the UK in his hands? What is it about Farage that makes you trust him so much?

There are many comments on this and every Brexit thread I've ever read that underline my view that the complex issue of EU membership and all that it entails should never have been the subject of a referendum.

...absolutely right, and an opinion probably shared by all who aren't extremists such as Geldof or Farage (which is most of us). Referenda are an insane way to make big decisions. This is the first one in the UK that didn't vote for the status quo, hence the chaos. Lucky escape, Scotland - you would have been in a similar mess as there was no plan there either.

'jumped up little gobshite' is not normally a phrase I would support, but in the case of Farage I make an exception.

Being part of EU means we can't make trade deals of our own and have to rely on EU to do it on our behalf. They are very slow sometimes taking 15 years to do one deal because of having to get agreement with 28 countries.

But why would we do it on our own any faster? Who would buy our expensive stuff, given that the standard of living and wealth outside the EU and the USA is largely lower than our own. How would we keep wages even at a remotely acceptable level (not that they actually are of course), if the only countries we are trading can produce things so much more cheaply? Who would want to spend years and years thrashing out trade deals with the UK, the islands of 65 million people, when they instead have access to a market of 500 million people?

I voted remain before and would again.

Want2bSupermum

You mean the European Court of Justice?

There is no facility to sue through the WTO, it can arbitrate on trade disputes but it is not a court.

The money the EU wants from the UK is to pay for financial commitments made by the UK. For example, the UK has to contribute to the pensions of EU staff (including many British) for the period that the UK has been a member.

I don't see any real areas we would have a case, happy to be proved wrong.

Question for people who say they have switched from Remain to Leave.

What is it that has convinced you to now support Leave, what do you think Brexit offers that is better than EU membership that you have seen over the last two years?

KennDodd

Do you believe any of those people are actually telling the truth?

I can’t honestly see how anyone who thought Brexit was a bad idea two years ago could think it is a good idea now.

Ok Farage is still an MEP my mistake. It's just his attendance and engagement are appalling. Oh yes and he has been censored for misuse of funds.

Apart from that he is elected.

Why not let him negotiate? Because all evidence of his time in the European Parliament indicates he is incompetent.

Oh look yet another facebook group set up by the thick racists who support Brexit

+Gina Miller.Most Hated Woman In Britain*

Question for people who say they have switched from Remain to Leave

I've never met one in rl. I cannot imagine one single reason why anyone would do that.

I suppose there's a handful somewhere.

I think they are lying .

I’m pretty sure the people hiding behind an anonymous username on Mumsnet who claim to have switched from remain to leave are just leavers who are scared about all the suggestions that support for leave is dwindling and that if the referendum was re-run they would lose.

I’m pretty sure the people hiding behind an anonymous username on Mumsnet who claim to have switched from remain to leave are just leavers who are scared about all the suggestions that support for leave is dwindling and that if the referendum was re-run they would lose

Agree.