If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow ...................

[TistyTosty]

.......would you vote the same as you did originally?

Norway and PESCO

www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/norwegian-security-policy--including-participation-in-the-csdp/id2592184/

Very sensible.

Trumps advice to her to sue the EU wasn't bad advice

Sue the EU for what?

I’m a lawyer and I can assure you that it is extremely bad advice to tell someone to just “sue” someone they disagree with.

You have to have a legal right, and the other person needs to have infringed that right. The court doesn’t give a shiny shit about you just being unhappy.

I voted remain and would again.

Really hope there is another referendum. Even if over 50% voted leave again, at least it’s more clear what impact Brexit will actually have.

loveintokyo Sue for fishing rights, the EUs insistance of a hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, right to leave the EU being blocked, unfair payments made in the past 10 years. There are so many things the UK can sue for to help strengthen their position. Personally I would pick the Northern Ireland issue and hound the EU on that.

I thought we wanted to "control our borders" albeit absolutely positively definitely not because of keeping immigrants out, no sirree.

But simultaneously we're being horribly bullied by the nasty EU because they (and in no way no how the all-wondrous WTO rules) are forcing us to, oh, have a controllable border between NI and the ROI.

Yes, let's sue.

I voted remain and would do so again, I don't know anyone who voted remain that has changed their mind but plenty who voted leave who now have regrets

Same. I've only encountered Brexit voters who would vote differently, for fairly obvious reasons.

user1457017537

There are knows and unknowns. What I know is that my family won't have to suffer the shitstorm of Brexit's creating. I also know that it will be a shtstorm- even the rampant pro-Brexiteers in Chief have conceded that, 'but it'll be worth it; and we know that 60% of Brexiteers are OK with friends and family losing their jobs over it.

Believe me, all of that outweighs my 'fear' of any 'curve-ball, the unknown, that life can throw at me. And it's not 'smug' to have an out, it was a calculated decision we made.

Supermum - I am sympathetic towards TM given that she's taken on an undoable job. It is impossible. She's not 'making a mess of Brexit'; Brexit is its own mess. She is 1 against 27, a 27 who cannot, rather obviously, a) allow us a better deal than those who are contributing, and b) a deal that might encourage others to leave. The one mistake she's made is not making the likes of Clown-in-Chief, BoJo get hoisted by his own petard.

Finally, can we all see now how the forthcoming Brexit Sh*tstorm will all be 'the fault' of its 'mishandling', rather than the fact it's an impossibility (getting a 'better deal'), and was on that fateful day in June last year. In this way, Brexiteers will refuse to take responsibility for their ill-conceived vote.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/223729

If we are such a small insignificant island on the arse-end of nowhere Brushah how come you are living here and haven’t put your great plan to leave into action

To be fair, any threads like this are skewed somewhat, as very, very few people like to announce that they were duped.

The Brexit voters that are likely to post are the ones that STILL think Brexit is a marvellous idea, despite the mile-high writing on the wall.

The thing that makes my heart sink further than most of the likely outcomes of this chaos is the inevitable erosion of worker's rights.

That will eventually bring it home like nothing else what has been lost.

I have had no need to do so, user. I won't be doing so happily, but I accept that sometimes, you have to use what advantage you have in a dire situation.

And it's not 'a great plan to leave', it's an alternative to secure my and my family's financial future when the need arises.

Want2bSupermum

You sound as silly as Trump.

For all I know, in the US you can sue someone just because you don’t like their face.

In places with grown up legal systems, such as the UK and the EU, you cannot sue someone unless they have actually wronged you according to the law.

Your comment about the Irish border is hilarious. If anyone has a right to “sue” anyone over the Irish border issue, it would be Ireland taking legal action against the UK for breaching the legal obligations they signed up to under the Good Friday Agreement.

Please go away and inform yourself. Maybe then you wouldn’t make such silly comments.

blush Exactly. TM should have had Boris and Farage neigotiate on her behalf. They got what they wanted so now deliver. I'm in management. If someone comes to me with a radical plan and I think it's questionable but others want it I have the person who proposed the idea run the project.

Yes, remain. I knew Brexit would cause damage but not be the total shambles is proving to be. This time I would get out and canvas for remain.

Want2bSupermum

In which court would you sue the EU?
The problem is that most of these things (like fishing rights) the UK agreed to, and issues like the Border with Ireland, we can not dictate what other countries choose to do. We have a right to our border they have a right to theirs.

Supermum, what would be the democratic justification for putting Nigel Farage, the man who failed to be elected as an MP at least five times in a row, in charge of the negotiations?

Farage failed to get elected but he did lead the UKiP to gain 10% of the vote. That is a huge accomplishment and he was elected as an MEP which would make him someone more suited to neigotiating the Uks exit than an MP with zero experience of working within the EU. So yes I do think there is plenty of democratic justification for him being the lead for the UK.

He doesn’t actually have a lot of experience working as an MEP though, does he?

He has a LOT of experience claiming MEP expenses, being rude to other MEPs and not showing up to meetings, but experience working as an MEP? Not so much.

There is absolutely no justification for him being involved in the Brexit process. He’s nobody. He’s a failed parliamentary candidate and the former leader of a single issue party which has never managed to gain more than two MPs.

FFS.

mother So hold him accountable. He hasn't shown up so give him a mandate and tell him to deliver. If he doesn't deliver TM doesn't look bad.

solo Is probably sue the court of justice. It's not about starting something to win, it's about coming away with a better outcome. The UK could also probably look to sue through the WTO as the EU are insisting they have money and rights to the U.K. After we have left.

Jesus H Christ.

He’s not accountable and won’t be accountable because he has not been elected to any public office in the UK.

And again. “Sue the EU” for what?

What legal obligation do you believe the EU have breached which would give the UK a right to “sue” them?

If you cannot answer this simple question then kindly stop talking out of your arse.

Dear. God.

I did not get my postal vote last time. This time I'd make sure I did and would vote remain.

Want2bSupermum

If you remember Boris ran away rather that put his hat into the ring to be PM.