If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow ...................

[TistyTosty]

.......would you vote the same as you did originally?

LoveinTokyo - I agree with everything you say especially that Brexit is undeliverable and that TM wants to deliver the least bad Brexit but can’t even get it past her own MPs never mind the EU. WTO terms would be shit and in any even we are signed up to them as EU member state so they would need to be modified before hard Brexit to work as a non member. Almost impossible too..,

To short timescales at least.

I voted to leave and I would do so again. I know lots of people who voted to leave and still want to leave. Being part of EU means we can't make trade deals of our own and have to rely on EU to do it on our behalf. They are very slow sometimes taking 15 years to do one deal because of having to get agreement with 28 countries. If we are out we can do our own trade deals which might take 2 years to make. We should still trade with EU on WTO terms which is how EU including UK trade with many other countries. I think trade is less of an issue than NI as we only export 19% of our goods to EU and rest is traded on WTO terms anyway.

There is so much wrong with this that I don't even know where to begin.

How on earth have we ended up in a situation where every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks they're qualified to make judgements about the intricacies of international trade?

I guess we're all experts now.

Well in fairness we couldn’t ballsvit up more tha it already is could we

Absolutely. Voted remain and would vote remain again.

Im not convinced by this trading with other countries.

America is protectionist
Africa and India and China/a lot of Asia so cheap wr couldnt compete if we want them to buy from us. Buying from them, well seem to do that now.
Australia and NZ as far away as you can get

I would love to know what they will be and with whom

I am an ardent remainer and would vote remain every day too if it would help.

What I find tricky to see is over the last two years hasn't it become obvious to leave voters that the US is hardly welcoming us with open arms and even if they did it would all be on their terms? It is a harsh world out there and to turn our backs on our local village, the EU, seems totally bonkers and irrational to me.

My answer to OP is:

Remain and God yes!

If we are out we can do our own trade deals which might take 2 years to make.

Might being the key word in this sentence. Or we might not leave at all and not have to go to the bother of trying

Can someone explain what the advantage of doing our own trade deals actually is?

The trade deals we have as part of the EU are negotiated on the basis that we are part of a market of 500 million people. Doing trade deals with the EU is important to other countries because the EU is a huge market. The UK is a much smaller market, so has a smaller negotiating position (especially coming from a position of weakness/desperation because we have no other trade deals).

It's also worth noting that a lot of trade deals between the EU and third countries contain a clause stating that neither can offer other third countries more advantageous trading conditions than what they have agreed between them. So a lot of these other countries we want to trade with will not legally be able to offer us better terms than those they have agreed with the EU (although they could offer us worse terms).

It seems so blindingly obvious doesn't it loveintokyo

I guess we're all experts now. It might help if you have confidence in yourself, your country and to start picking real leaders closer to home, smaller communities where the leaders become effected by their actions and decisions.

Can someone explain what the advantage of doing our own trade deals actually is? To cut out the middle man.

Smile I'll be back in the UK next year for good and can't wait. Have been abroad due to HM Forces postings, and then for 5 years post Dh's retirement from HM Forces. Not living in the UK doesn't mean I am not glued to the UK papers, or that I don't watch the News or Today in Parliament etc.

If the EEC as was had remained a loose set of trading states, I might have voted to stay in. Since Maastricht and Lisbon, no chance I would. The EU has caused damage to a whole generation in Italy, Greece and Spain. It had woefully mismanaged a migrant crisis exacerbated by Merkel. The EU is about the exercise of power, lead by a proven liar with a penchant for cognac; and he is operated by a German puppet master who has unlimited power, and is unelected....Selmayer.

Rocketpocket I could show you the buildings under consideration for the new EU Defence Forces HQ. No point just having an Army, with coastline and skies in the mix as well. They'll want a Navy and Air Force as well.

What middle man?

The EU.

How is the EU a middleman? The UK (for now) IS the EU. As is Germany. As is Italy. Etc etc.

Hi there everyone,

OP has asked for this thread to be moved to our Brexit board, so we'll be moving it shortly.

I thought we were talking about trade deals once we leave the EU.

Well, I voted Remain, and would again; but imo, Britain actually needs to get a kick up its bum. Leavers need to see their children failing to get jobs, their granny failing to get her cancer drugs, the supermarket shelves half empty, losing their own job. They need to see standards of care fall as EU trained professionals are replaced with barely-English speaking, dubiously qualified Africans. (Not racist, fact. I'm a HCP and you would be very worried if you saw the standard of the more or less unchecked Nigerian 'trained' staff we've taken on. Post graduate diploma in a fortnight, anyone?).

They need to experience life as a small, insignificant island on the arse end of Europe kicked off the top tables it has been allowed to sit on for probably too long.

They need to understand the bonfire of trading standards, employee rights, human rights, food standards heading our way once we start having to trade with way more unregulated, lower standard'ed countries. Chlorinated chicken is a can, anyone?

OK, this will shaft Britain for a good 10 years, though you'll not the see chief Brexiteers suffering - JRM hasn't moved part of his company to Dublin for fun; Boris won't suddenly be joining any bread queues, Farage will hitch his pony to any advantage he can gain.

Thankfully my whole family hold a non EU but developed country's passports so my DC will be OK. Sorry for the Remainer DC, but, heigh-ho to Brexiteer ones.

I think a referendum will turn out much the same as the first.

The big surprise would be a vote for TM. She has done an absolutely horrible job and is a terrible PM. She has shown she has absolutely zero ability to command a team let alone a country. Trumps advice to her to sue the EU wasn't bad advice, given where we are and she laughed it off. No TM, he is right. Sue the EU because neigotiating hasn't worked. The deal you have is shit and not anything close to what the people of the UK want. I'd prefer a hard Brexit to the deal she has cobbled together.

Blushah what a sanctimonious post. Don’t be so smug, life has a way of throwing a curve ball you didn’t see coming

Theresa May as Home Secretary for seven years was responsible for the increase in mass immigration. She would not negotiate a good deal even if she could. She’s a puppet