Still Not the Brexit Arms

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Gosh the old thread has been busy today!

Not got time to catch up just yet but putting this one here for later.

Can someone please explain to me exactly what ‘no deal’ is? From the little I’ve read it seems that ‘no deal’ is actually extremely complicated (see above comments from frumpety and others).

Is no deal WTO?
Is no deal ‘just walking away’
What does walking away even mean and what would it result in?
Is it just a sound bite used by the unscrupulous and their followers?
Is it a realistic option?

I know that there probably won’t be a People’s Vote, but if there is, I would need to know exactly what the options meant before I cast my vote.

It is a waste of time because nothing that gets said on here will change anything - basically, it’s just a group of people who want an argument every day of the week!
It’s pointless really.
And whilst I don’t know for sure why ( pretty much ) every single leaver has left, I’d imagine it’s the sneering & abusive attitude from remainers don’t you?
Seriously, some remainers on here are so hateful towards leavers it has worried some of us.

It’s interesting to reread the Government’s pre EU leaflet with the benefit of hindsight. Who was right? The folk who claimed it would be the easiest deal
In history, that we held all the cards, that they’d have 40 trade deals lined up from the day we left?

Or the boring old government? assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf

Well of course, we haven't left yet. But I don't see that there are 40 trade deals in the pipeline.

Brexit cost calculator:
costofbrexit.bitballoon.com/
£727 per second.
Now.
£47.5 b so far.

More facts from David Davis et al

Seems the experts knew quite a lot then

I disagree Surfer , I don't want an argument with you or anyone, we have different opinions on Brexit. Facts are not opinions though

How do you like this leavers?
www.rte.ie/amp/979174/
Still, at least we get to benefit from it for a few months...

Oh, and Vote Leave cheated and lied. They broke the law.

Yet some people still support them

I think No deal represents reverting to trading under WTO rules alone. We already trade with quite a few countries under these rules as part of the EU. The UK can hope that those countries will be happy to just continue trading with the UK with the same principles, but there is always the chance that they will take the opportunity to negotiate a better deal for themselves and why wouldn't they ?
If those countries do decide to renegotiate the trade deals , then this will take time. The UK is a big market place to which to sell goods etc , nowhere near as big as the EU though and it doesn't appear to have a great deal of talent when it comes to negotiating , although the next few months may focus some minds
Most countries in the world are in some sort of trading bloc. The EU just happens to be the biggest and best

So ‘no deal - just walk away’ is a mirage?

I think the one thing that can be safely said is that no deal or walking away will inevitably be more complicated than a two word soundbite
So many things about the whole Brexit malarkey are in actual fact much more complicated than the general public were and are being led to believe.

The UK is a big market place to which to sell goods etc

Well, it was ....

Well quite DG , under the governments own figures for the economic hit of a no deal scenario that market size will inevitably shrink , making it harder to negotiate a decent deal for the UK.

I think the trouble now is all leavers think that all news and facts that are bad is just more and more project fear and the establishment trying to make us change our minds, but unfortunately untill we have left and the dust has settled then we can see with are own eyes what the outcome will be, sometimes all the bad news just seems like desperate attempts of remainers to stay in the EU, I do some work for an architect and often against his advise clients want certain things, only to change when they see it actually carried out.

@Rosstac who is trying to stop it from happening. Hint: pointing out how difficult it is does not mean trying to stop it.
Leavers wanted this shit show. Bring it on. I'm entitled to an Irish passport. As is my dh. As is my dd. I'm a prepper too.

The UK is the first major battlefield in the global war against social democracy. It's fought in cyber trenches but bloody real all the same.

Anyone else deeply worried about the plans for a G3 involving just the US, Russia and China?

To be fair to many Leavers , I don't think the government , the opposition parties or the media have done the public any favours in the way Brexit has been discussed over the last two years. Politicians have been allowed repeatedly to get away with telling fibs and not answering questions.

Brexit was always going to be a complicated process regardless of which type of Brexit and I am including no deal/walking away, every option other than remain requires change at a national level not seen by this country in most of the populations lifetime.

The population of the UK has been sorely let down by those in power and in the media, nobody should be in any doubt as to what each Brexit option means for the UK or for individuals, regardless of whether they voted remain or leave, everyone should be in possession of all the facts.

To be fair to Leavers - they can read and think just like me. They chose the Wild West option and we are all paying for their choice. There, I've been fair.

bellinisurge Yes, to your amazement leavers can read and write, perhaps some are not as clever as you, But since you are so clever and are well aware of what is going to happen to the U.K., I take you have already left

Very magnanimous of you Bellini

Brexit has been dumbed down into soundbites, these will not negotiate trade deals, they will not prevent job losses, they will not prevent harm to the UK population. They are pointless.

Ooo now who's patronising? I said that Leavers could think just like I could think and chose a different option which I characterised as the wild west option. If you think I was talking down to you when I said that, I meant it as a genuine comment not a sneery one.
But feel free to get cross because I characterised in a way you don't like.