Still Not the Brexit Arms

[Bearbehind]

Gosh the old thread has been busy today!

Not got time to catch up just yet but putting this one here for later.

Rosstec - minor detail, but the Poles have been an asset to England since WWII, when their fighter pilots and engineers came and fought with us in the RAF against Hitler, and they and their families were welcomed to settle in the UK. They have long been admired by those who comprehend a sense of duty and sacrifice.

What we really need now is some sort of myth-buster which can get through to the readers of the Express, Daily Mail and the Sun.

How do we do that????

Rosstac this is a genuine question , what would improve your life, what would make it better than it is now for you and your family ?

Rosstac
We ve total control on non eu migrants, still coming into the country 2:1 compared to EU migrants.

As i said, the agreement with the EU (and there will be one) will allow FOM in another name.

Unless we have an ID card system and enforcement, we ll wont have a scooby who is doing what, when or for how much and no party is proposing one.

Brexit just isnt going to address your concerns.

The problems with the UK budget come down to too many old people, not too many immigrants using services or claiming benefits. Look, here is the data from the Office for Budget Responsibility:

obr.uk/fsr/fiscal-sustainability-report-july-2018/

The fact is we need these EU immigrants who have contributed far more to our country than they have ever received back.

pineapple what are they suggesting as solutions ? a cull perhaps ? Mind you only 2% of the UK population is over 85 and we keep increasing the pension age , so we will probably reach a point where you quite literally work till you die, if they do introduce a cull. Picks a random age out of the hat , say 72 , gives you a decent pension for 5 years then you are for the chop !

I am obviously joking , just in case any policy makers ears have pricked up

Well, importing working age people who were at the age of having children was quite a good solution, but now I suppose they will have to find new ways to find old people's healthcare. Like making them pay our new American trade friends for it.

Domiciliary care was outsourced years and years ago Pineapple , unfortunately it involves the care of the most vulnerable people in society , those with the least chance of making their voices heard. Hard fact is if an organisation needs to make a profit out of caring for someone , the caring comes second to the profit.

Interesting times , so the government won the vote (just) , does it even matter ? it does to Mrs May who gets to keep her job for now.

In other news the EU signs a trade deal with Japan

money.cnn.com/2018/07/17/news/economy/eu-japan-trade-deal/index.html

So when we leave the UK , how is the above trade deal going to effect areas in the UK where Japanese cars are made, The UK knew this deal was in the offing , given how long trade agreements take

Doubt Japanese companies will build their newest models in the UK. Yes we are a big market but so is the rest of the EU.

Nice to see the EU has given Japan a free trade deal which doesn't include FOM,NO CU, and no SM, seems like they are taking the piss out of us .

Do you know how long that trade deal has taken to negotiate, Rosstac?

Hint: it didn't come at the end of 2 years of Japan not putting forward a vision of what kind of future relationship they wanted to have with the EU.

rosstac are you being serious?

The EU Japan FTA is perfect eveidence of why we didn't need to leave the EU in order to secure FTAs with other countries. It can and is being done side the EU.

We still want ALL of the benefits of being in SM / CU not just agreements for certain goods. We want a frictionless border- that's more than a FTA.

And now that I've got the snark aside, this is the other thing that horrifies me about the whole UK approach to these negotiations. We keep talking about bespoke trade deals being instant, rather than taking the better part of a decade and in some cases STILL not coming to pass. (Hello, TARP.)

But we think we can fail to leave the EU in an orderly way, and then come up with a 10 year-negotiation in what will now be less than 3 months.

Why would Japan - an island on the other side of the world be concerned with freedom of movement, or a customs union ?

Once again, Brexiteers ignore the inconvenient geography that puts the UK in Europe (and possibly demonstrate a limited understanding of how FoM and the CU work).

And anyway, Japan now does have freedom of movement. Within the EU. Obviously they'll have the door slammed in their face at Dover, and make their decisions accordingly. But that's what Leavers wanted.

p.s. I am well aware Japan - like "Greece" - is a collection of islands.

So after being in the EU or what ever it’s been called since 75, abiding by its rules, paying a billions of pounds every year on time, working seamlessly with are fellow Europeans, They can’t give us a good trade deal but are happy to start a new one with afar off country who’s industrial standards will not be inline with Europe’s if some of its electronics are anything to go bye.

@Rosstac Do you think the Japanese just rocked up to Brussels last week and said, hey, let's have a deal. And hey, that CE marking shit? We're not having anything to do with that.
By the way, this deal with Japan is a deal with us until we leave. Because we are still in the EU.

bellinisurge That’s what I’m trying to say, I would be know problem to give us a trade deal, we already do everything need it wouldn’t take 10 years

rosstac do you honestly think we're asking for a deal which is comparable that that agreed with a Japan?

Can you really not see the differences here?

Japan won't endanger the deal it's just done with the EU (because it's a very good deal) just to do a deal with the UK.

Once the UK is out of the EU, it can go to the back of the queue

The EU exports c. 60 Billion Euros to Japan, versus 68 Billion Euro imports.

trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2006/september/tradoc_113403.pdf

Now of that, the UKs slice is c. £12bln exports £11bln imports.

So why would Japan risk a 50 Billion Euro deal with the EU for a paltry £12billion with the UK ?

www.ons.gov.uk/businessindustryandtrade/internationaltrade/articles/whodoestheuktradewith/2017-02-21

I apologise for all the facts.

Rosstac
you are demonstrating why the general public should never ever have been given this vote.

Japan doesnt need to be in the SM/CU a member of eurotom, europol EMA etc etc no more than Canada does, there is no land or sea border between these countries and the EU.

A FTA is about tariff free trade, that s all.

jasjas1973

Now you are being elitist ....