Westministenders: High Drama at The Ok Coral

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3:00 p.m. Wednesday, October 26, 1881, Tombstone, Arizona.

After months of death threats from the Cowboy Billys, their long simmering feud with the law thing came to a head. The Earp Brothers and Doc Holliday faced the criminals down in a shootout.

Tomorrow's 'sleepover' is starting to feel like the Gunfight at the OK Coral.

The outcome of the real story was three of the outlaws were killed. Another two claimed they were unarmed and ran from the fight. Virgil, Morgan, and Doc Holliday were wounded, but Wyatt Earp was unharmed.

How many Brexiteers can we expect to roll over and resign from the Cabinet and how many will surrender to May and the Pro-Business lobby? ONly time will tell.

Please place your bets for the number of resignations and the number of 'I support the PM' comments.

But don't get too excited. The showdown wasn't the end of the matter.

One of the outlaws who legged it, filed murder charges against the Earps and Doc Holliday. It took them some time for them to be acquitted.

Then Virgil Earp was ambushed and disabled in the arm later that year in December and Morgan Earp was assassinated in March 1882. Wyatt Earp, then thinking he had no other option, went on a personal vendetta to kill the outlaws and then fled the state.

Given the Tory Cabinet and the perchant for stabbing each other in the back and settling personal scores, a repeat of a wild west gun fight, really doesn't sound too wildly off the cards now does it?

Buckle up. Its time to play at Chequers.

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Thanks Red!
Place mat king.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/theresa-mays-brexit-paper-could-mean-no-us-trade-deal/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Theresa May’s Brexit paper could mean no US trade deal.
... what has really riled ministers is the section on what this deal with the EU would mean for future trade deals. The paper is explicit that this deal ‘would not allow the UK to accommodate a likely ask from the US in a future trade deal’ as the UK would be unable to recognise the US’s ‘array of standards.’
Brexiteers are taking this as Theresa May effectively ruling out a post-Brexit trade deal with the US just days before the US President arrives in this country.

A delicate game of timing? Is May meandering so slowly (missing the deadline for EU talks last week etc) because she doesn't want to upset Trump before he comes next Friday?

Why would this compromise a trade deal with the USA? We have always imported cheap poor quality goods from e.g. China, and imported higher standard goods from e.g. Germany. The better ones have a mark of quality on them; the cheapo ones you buy at your peril, or until Trading Standards decide they are too dangerous to be on sale.

BTW won't Trump be long gone by the time a trade deal is agreed, even if he goes for a second term?

As noted in the previous thread, US trade deals depend on Congress more than the President ....

Thanks RTB
While looking at the fishing 'scandal' (where fishing rights got sold with the boats from the UK) the other day, the bottom of a piece in the Scotsman (from around 1970 I think) had the start of a 'discussion ' about the possibility of 'ethnically cleansing' Northern Ireland, exportation of up to 500,000. It is the fact that the terms EC and the number than particularly struck me.

Place mat king.
When are they supposed to finish the sleep over so we know what they have in store??

I think it was reported it could go on to 11:30 tonight.

As there aren't enough rooms we could always 'pair' them up. Nominations?

Bit arcane, and unlikely to be read by Brexiteers (unless there's a version with pictures) but an interesting example of how "sovereignty" works when you are trying to operate in international markets.

The EU is chewing up and spitting out ICANN, despite ICANN being a US body. If ICANN wants to play - it has to toe the line.

It's also worth noting how hardball the EU is willing to play with a 3rd party.

Of course, US firms could (and some have) said Shove your GDPR where the sun don't shine. But it seems most are happy to accept GDPR because they want the trade.

Quite a few points mixed up in there, actually.

Oops, linky

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/06/europe_no_to_icann_whois/

European data regulators have torn up the latest proposal by internet overseer ICANN over its Whois data service, sending the hapless organization back to the drawing board for a third time.

In a letter [PDF] to the US-based internet's naming and addressing systems, the chair of the European Data Protection Board (EDPB) makes it plain that even the organization's "interim" plan is fundamentally flawed.

(contd)

Whatever happens will be reported about 14:59 tomorrow.

Beth Rigby @ BethRigby
1) #Chequers today with the scene set for a big showdown. Six Brexiteers - led by Johnson & Davis - to tell PM her plan not acceptable; told that Javid, Williamson & Alan Cairns behind them. PM can’t afford to alienate 9 cabinet ministers

2) Brexiteers baulked at language around a “common rule book” for goods & agribusiness, which will undermine a future trade deal with US. Brexiteer source told me last night this part of the paper needs reworking

3) Phone calls going on as No 10 tries to reassure angry Brexiteers. Source says claims this plan will mean UK can’t sign trade deals ‘simply wrong’

4) And as for the govt ‘common rule book’ on goods/agribusiness, govt source stresses that no new regulation will come in without Parliamentary vote. Will that assuage the Breixteers?

5) Meanwhile, May this morning issues a veiled threat, reminding cabinet they have a “duty” to agree a Brexit blueprint. She has a message for her party, the need to find a deal “that commands the support of the public and Parliament” > The grand compromise

6) Westminster on resignation watch, but will leading Brexiteers really quit over a plan they think the EU will reject anyway (see David Davis) and at a moment that no-one will pay much attention (World Cup match tomorrow?)

7) But if a big enough subset of May’s cabinet dig in heels, surely some of this white paper will have to be tweaked or redrafted... So will we end the day with another fudge?

8) Cabinet in this morning from 9.30am and will have to hand in phones. This isn’t a conspiracy to isolate them in this all important meet, phones never allowed in cabinet meetings.

A quick point. Last night peston tweeted this:

Robert Peston @ peston
Widespread ministerial unhappiness that they have to read 120 odd pages of dense and complex stuff in just a few hours before making historic decisions on UK’s Brexit future. They are not sure if tardiness of distribution is Downing Street cock up or conspiracy

Davis made a point of never reading the EU briefing papers. And we know how few read read the impact papers (6% of MPs.and Lords).

We know we have cabinet ministers who don't know the contents of the GFA. And we have Cabinet ministers who don't know what Norway can and can not do. We have ministers who don't know what a customs union is.

And last night they were told to do some homework!!!

What do these people do? Westminstenders knows their shit better on this stuff. But a bunch of tossers who complain they have to read 120 pages of stuff (that frankly they should have known in Feb 2016) are making the biggest decision for a generation.

And their laziness in understanding the EU position. Which they have been told repeatedly, means we'll get no deal and be swallowed up by an American take over as we 'take back control'.

Worse: May has the parliamentary numbers, it's just she is being held hostage by these lazy workshy fuck wits.

I am not hopeful.

I'm sure as the civil servants, live update the plan during the course of the day, I'll get increasingly angry and sweary. You've only got a few expletives at 8am.

I think May will force them all to stay at chequers until 14:59 tomorrow.

Oh look. A Janus faced Gove.

Kevin Schofield @ polhomeeditor
Minister points out: “Gove is on both teams - he met with the Chancellor earlier.” What could he be up to?

In reference to team business and team FCO meetings last night.

Ian Dunt @ iandunt
DD's strategic error, summarised. They won't come to you. You're not holding your nerve. You're marching us to oblivion.
www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/96582/david-davis-%e2%80%98-last-ditch-bid
David Davis ‘in last-ditch bid to halt new Theresa May customs plan’ ahead of Cabinet showdown

Being saying this for some time that it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.

The EU can't. Macron spelt it out. The EUs choice is face us off or give in and disintegrate.

Who was paying attention over Greece? Not Davis.

Meanwhile, I received some sick-making spam from the Conservative party telling me to celebrate 70 years of the NHS.

Oh, dear. They are going to have to dig very deep to find the consent I never gave to them for my personal details to be used in any way. They must have hoovered it up from Anna Soubry ? who I emailed a while back to support over her stance (how times change).

peregrina Within the EU, we import only goods which satisfies EU safety standards for food and manufactered goods.
That some cheapo goods won't last, look crap and are poor value isn't covered

EU consumers may buy cheap but safe crap from China, but not e.g. the poisoned baby formula they had a few years ago

The main issue wrt USA is food imports and the very powerful agribusiness lobby in the US, which would rule out any trade deal with the UK that doesn't allow reduced standards

• the US Trade Secretary has also warned of no deal without allowing US food with lower standards It is a US political red line there, absolutely non-negotiable.

Currently EU rules exclude e.g. chlorinated chicken, hormone-ridden beef etc and we just import the higher end or compliant US food

Kevin Schofield @ polhomeeditor
Deputy PM David Lidington says a “Canada plus plus” Brexit deal, which David Davis supports, is a non-starter because it would cause a hard Irish border and the EU won’t wear it. Trouble ahead. #r4today

It's not Norway v Canada.

It's Norway v No Deal.