Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Westministenders: High Drama at The Ok Coral

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 05/07/2018 22:38

3:00 p.m. Wednesday, October 26, 1881, Tombstone, Arizona.

After months of death threats from the Cowboy Billys, their long simmering feud with the law thing came to a head. The Earp Brothers and Doc Holliday faced the criminals down in a shootout.

Tomorrow's 'sleepover' is starting to feel like the Gunfight at the OK Coral.

The outcome of the real story was three of the outlaws were killed. Another two claimed they were unarmed and ran from the fight. Virgil, Morgan, and Doc Holliday were wounded, but Wyatt Earp was unharmed.

How many Brexiteers can we expect to roll over and resign from the Cabinet and how many will surrender to May and the Pro-Business lobby? ONly time will tell.

Please place your bets for the number of resignations and the number of 'I support the PM' comments.

But don't get too excited. The showdown wasn't the end of the matter.

One of the outlaws who legged it, filed murder charges against the Earps and Doc Holliday. It took them some time for them to be acquitted.

Then Virgil Earp was ambushed and disabled in the arm later that year in December and Morgan Earp was assassinated in March 1882. Wyatt Earp, then thinking he had no other option, went on a personal vendetta to kill the outlaws and then fled the state.

Given the Tory Cabinet and the perchant for stabbing each other in the back and settling personal scores, a repeat of a wild west gun fight, really doesn't sound too wildly off the cards now does it?

Buckle up. Its time to play at Chequers.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
50
BigChocFrenzy · 06/07/2018 10:39

woman, DG The 2-year A50 period is a maximum for the leaving country, but not for the EU

Legally, the UK can uniaterally Brexit earlier, but the EU can't force this.

It is probably plan B for the Ultras - but they don't have the votes to force this
It is the preferred option for the hedge-funders who want to short UK business & sterling

RedToothBrush · 06/07/2018 10:40

Sky reports David Cameron and Boris Johnson met last night, where they agreed Theresa May’s Brexit plan was:

“the worst of both worlds”

OP posts:
BigChocFrenzy · 06/07/2018 10:41

Article 50 from the Lisbon Treaty

See section 3:

www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-European-union-and-comments/title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html

3.. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement
or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2,
unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/07/2018 10:45

The UK has a maximum 2 years to negotiate the WA
So could theoretically just agree bare minimum WTO - and the EU would warn there won't be any decent FTA later

54321go · 06/07/2018 10:48

So what are the chances of the other 27 countries that we have 'pissed off' unnecessarily unanimously feeling generous the morning after the 2 years have elapsed?

54321go · 06/07/2018 10:56

Wasn't it in 'Blott on the landscape' where Geraldine James let the lions out in the 'garden'?
Pop a few wild animals inside Chequers security fencing.

RedToothBrush · 06/07/2018 11:03

Law and policy @davidallengreen
Law and policy Retweeted Nick Clegg
He is right, I am afraid to admit as well.

We might well have reached the point where Brexiteers and Remainers and Fence Sitters are ALL in agreement.

Well done in uniting everyone Theresa. You said you'd do it.

OP posts:
woman11017 · 06/07/2018 11:07

Legally, the UK can uniaterally Brexit earlier
Thanks BCF I have a feeling that the ERG chums have a few things in place.

Directions to London from Chequers
They could walk to Wendover (quite nice along the Ridgeway) and get the train to Marylebone from there. Could do it in less than 4 hours, if any mps get stuck.

wild animals
We've got loads of muntjac deer roaming round too.(peaceful immigrant deer from China) 54321 And glis glis (naughty immigrant dormice thanks to Romans)

Where is Jeremy Corbyn? Even the brave souls in Turkey continue to provide an opposition. Here he is with a woman who does not identify as a handmaid.
@campbellclaret
Worth seeing how snappy and thin skinned @jeremycorbyn is when challenged over Brexit inaction. See to end.
twitter.com/VanessaLamsvelt/status/1014957849716412416

RedToothBrush · 06/07/2018 11:12

They could walk to Wendover (quite nice along the Ridgeway) and get the train to Marylebone from there. Could do it in less than 4 hours, if any mps get stuck.

Peter Bone has now offered to pick anyone who resigns up.

My best guess is no one will walk. But I suspect it will run later than 11pm tonight still.

OP posts:
54321go · 06/07/2018 11:27

Are we suggesting that Mr Clegg is CHEATING, by reading the rules and thinking? How unsporting of him.

BrexitWife · 06/07/2018 11:32

Whatever happens will be reported about 14:59 tomorrow.
You mean just in time for the England football match so as few people as possible will actually notice?
Is it to Bury the bad news?

Peregrina · 06/07/2018 11:45

Got it in one BrexitWife.

woman11017 · 06/07/2018 12:23

Finally someone has written about what we've been saying:
www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/07/brexiteers-represent-four-faces-toxic-masculinity

Buteo · 06/07/2018 12:24

@SkyNewsBreak

Airbus Chief Executive Tom Enders has accused the Government of having "no clue on how to execute Brexit without severe harm" and reiterated concerns over the impact of a bad deal on the aerospace industry.

Government has its fingers in its ears and is singing lalalala ...

Buteo · 06/07/2018 12:27

Peter Bone’s taxi service?

Westministenders: High Drama at The Ok Coral
RedToothBrush · 06/07/2018 12:37

Jenni Russell @jennirsl
I understand from senior sources that this is totally misleading Team Boris spin, out there to undermine PM. Cameron has never agreed with Johnson on Brexit. DC always backed softest possible exit, which May is pushing now; Johnson wants a hard one.

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Impeccably well-connected @jennirsl gives an authoritative account of Boris and Dave meeting

People are NOT happy with some of the earlier briefing (reported here)

Normal service resumes.

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 06/07/2018 12:38

Tony Connelly @tconnellyRTE
Barnier: The UK is leaving the single market - they know the rules. We are not ready to unravel the common rules because a member state is leaving. (When asked if the common rule book between the EU and UK had to be the EU rule book)

OP posts:
54321go · 06/07/2018 12:38

Will there be fighting at Chequers tonight when someone points out there is no cake?
{Whatever happens will be reported about 14:59 tomorrow.}
And there is a one way flight booked for all the cabinet about an hour later to a tax free haven somewhere.

BrexitWife · 06/07/2018 12:43

It seems that 18yo in Germany have more clue about Brexit than most people (incl ministers!) here....

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/06/german-students-reveal-exam-answers-to-key-brexit-questions

Their idea of giving a second vote to NI is interesting to say the least. And says a lot about how outsiders see the uk.

Maybe it’s because THEY did their homework (unlike our MPs)

RedToothBrush · 06/07/2018 12:48

Nick Gutteridge @nick_gutteridge
Barnier 15 minutes late for speech at Irish Rep. The clock is ticking towards lunch, Michel
Ireland’s ambassador to the EU says there is ‘not the width of a cigarette paper’ between the Member States and Michel Barnier over Brexit.
Michel Barnier says: ‘In the Brexit negotiations there are still too many questions and too few answers. One way or another we have to build a relationship that goes beyond trade.’
Barnier with a challenge to Arlene Foster. Says after his visit to Londonderry he got the impression that ‘our [backstop] approach responding to the issue posed by Brexit is well understood in Northern Ireland’.
Barnier: ’I’m ready to adapt our offer should the UK’s red lines change. We look forward to the UK’s white paper. Ideally the UK’s proposals will facilitate both the UK’s internal political debate and negotiation with us.’
Barnier: ‘I have real respect for Theresa May and I know that her duty, her daily work is not so easy.’
Barnier repeatedly refuses to give May a kicking by commenting on the idea that the UK could stay in Single Market for goods but not services, replying: ‘That wouldn’t be helpful.’ He says his team will examine UK proposals ‘precisely and objectively’ next week.
Barnier: ‘All the models are available. Customs Union, Customs Union plus, Norway, Norway plus. We can work on all these.’ What is ‘Customs Union plus’?

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 06/07/2018 12:56

Andrew Neil @afneil
Latest info on Cabinet Brexiteers:
May white paper unacceptable — and it’s the maximum she can hope for in any deal.
Barnier will knock it back on so many fronts; what’s left even more unacceptable.
If May tries to push that through cabinet, that’s when resignations will matter

OP posts:
Hasenstein · 06/07/2018 13:00

.

54321go · 06/07/2018 13:06

Before @Brexitwife posted about the German exam, I was going to say that on test papers, or at least the pep talk before an exam you are told to read ALL the questions then spend a few minutes working out your plan. So that's a fail by the ministers then!

RedToothBrush · 06/07/2018 17:15

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
No10 source at Chequers says discussions have been “positive”, and no suggestion of any resignations (so far). Much of the document is now agreed. So have the Brexiters climbed down, or has the PM fudged?

I think the real question is it cognac and orange or vanilla fudge?

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 06/07/2018 17:18

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-to-avoid-london-and-protestors-on-four-day-visit-to-uk-no10-confirms-theresa-may-the-queen_uk_5b3f74fbe4b05127ccf13bb9?on

The US President’s four-day tour will instead include a military parade at Winston Churchill’s birthplace of Blenheim Palace in Oxfordshire, talks with Theresa May at her Chequers country home, and tea with the Queen at Windsor Castle.

Trump will spend just a few hours in the capital, when he overnights at the US Ambassador’s residence in Regent’s Park.

But he will not visit Downing Street, Buckingham Palace or the Houses of Parliament, all of which are expected to feature the biggest protests ever seen during a visit by an American President.

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread