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Westministenders: High Drama at The Ok Coral

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RedToothBrush · 05/07/2018 22:38

3:00 p.m. Wednesday, October 26, 1881, Tombstone, Arizona.

After months of death threats from the Cowboy Billys, their long simmering feud with the law thing came to a head. The Earp Brothers and Doc Holliday faced the criminals down in a shootout.

Tomorrow's 'sleepover' is starting to feel like the Gunfight at the OK Coral.

The outcome of the real story was three of the outlaws were killed. Another two claimed they were unarmed and ran from the fight. Virgil, Morgan, and Doc Holliday were wounded, but Wyatt Earp was unharmed.

How many Brexiteers can we expect to roll over and resign from the Cabinet and how many will surrender to May and the Pro-Business lobby? ONly time will tell.

Please place your bets for the number of resignations and the number of 'I support the PM' comments.

But don't get too excited. The showdown wasn't the end of the matter.

One of the outlaws who legged it, filed murder charges against the Earps and Doc Holliday. It took them some time for them to be acquitted.

Then Virgil Earp was ambushed and disabled in the arm later that year in December and Morgan Earp was assassinated in March 1882. Wyatt Earp, then thinking he had no other option, went on a personal vendetta to kill the outlaws and then fled the state.

Given the Tory Cabinet and the perchant for stabbing each other in the back and settling personal scores, a repeat of a wild west gun fight, really doesn't sound too wildly off the cards now does it?

Buckle up. Its time to play at Chequers.

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OlennasWimple · 10/07/2018 16:14

DGR - the modern day authoritarian simply prevents his rivals from being allowed to stand for office before the polling even begins Hmm

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 16:22

Patrick O'Flynn @oflynnmep
BIG EXCLUSIVE from me (ie I think I'm first with this): Downing Street blocking the reappointment of stout Leaver Stewart Jackson @BrexitStewart as SpAd at DexEU despite Dominic Raab wanting him to carry on. Leavers not welcome in this Government. Shocking stuff.

Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes
Spiteful.

Nadine Dorries @NadineDorries
And going down very badly in the members tea room. Stewie has given his adult life fighting for the Conservative party in Peterborough. He would still be an MP if the snap election hadn’t been called. Are No10 going to pay his mortgage?

More concern for their own, rather than the general public who are about to lose their jobs...

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Icantreachthepretzels · 10/07/2018 16:34

I thought Dominic Raab was a leaver? Why do people keep saying there is no room for leavers in this govt when one was literally put in place yesterday. And Jeremy Hunt turned to leave (though may have gone back). And isn't he new Attorney General a leaver? (not sure about the new health sec)

And then there is still Gove. There is still Penny Mordaunt. Sajid Javid has gleefully turned into a leaver - albeit not necessarily a headbanging brexiteer. Even TM is a leaver now.

Where are on earth do they get off saying there is no place for leavers in govt?
There should be no place for incompetents who follow ideology over facts in govt... but that really doesn't seem to be an issue for this lot. They really do seem happy with that.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 16:40

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3302495-This-is-how-traffic-to-the-feminism-board-has-increased
This is amazing.

There are figures about how much traffic to the feminist section of MN has increased since June 2016.

I am NOT going to link it to Brexit, but I am going to say, its part of an arc in politics which does encompass it.

This is very uplifting and positive imo.

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BrexitWife · 10/07/2018 16:41

Are No10 going to pay his mortgage?
Now seeing the policies implemented by the conservatives, this is distasteful to the nth degree.

Icantreachthepretzels · 10/07/2018 16:43

Back in 2016 I used to access MN through the feminist board. Now I access it through this one...

DGRossetti · 10/07/2018 16:45

Why do people keep saying there is no room for leavers in this govt when one was literally put in place yesterday.

Cognitive dissonance ? Fake news ?

We already know people only remember the first cut of a story - even if it subsequently emerges that the actual truth is the exact opposite (recent discussion on the de Menenzes case ...).

Maybe this is Brexiteers lobbing a "truth bomb" into the media that Theresa May is stitching them up. After all, they know how much Brexiteers generally care about facts, when it's all about "da feelz".

Alternatively, maybe Theresa May is continuing some twisted arcane long game by supporting Brexit the same way Harold Wilson supported the US over Vietnam ?

I can't help but keep returning to the rush - and fight to trigger A50. At the time it was the only thing the Brexiteers wanted. In fact they went apeshit over the hint that it might not be immediate. But with hindsight, the ticking clock has been the pressure which has continually frustrated - not aided - Brexit.

I am enjoying the sublime understanding that the biggest obstacle to Brexit has been Brexiteers.

OlennasWimple · 10/07/2018 16:46

SpAds who find themselves out of a job already get pretty generous compensation for the sudden lack of money to pay the mortgage Hmm

woman11017 · 10/07/2018 16:52

I found MN through the brexit and trump threads, then found the feminism threads, they are clearly very popular/ essential Smile

woman11017 · 10/07/2018 16:55

@bbclaurak
Two of Tory vice chairs, Ben Bradley and Maria Caulfield, are quitting in protest at Chequers plan

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 16:55

Alex Wickham @WikiGuido
Maria Caulfield and Ben Bradley have resigned as Tory vice chairs in protest at Chequers deal

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prettybird · 10/07/2018 16:56

Don't MPs who lose their seats also get bloody pretty decent golden handshakes and pensions? Hmm

Peregrina · 10/07/2018 16:58

I note the letter to Graham Brady doesn't say that we must deliver Brexit for the long term good of the country, but because the Tories will be punished in the polls.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:03

Ben Bradley MP @bbradleymp
Whilst everyone gets very excited about Chequers tomorrow, truth is PM has been consistent with her #Brexit wishlist from day one - control of money, borders and laws. We should support her, get behind her and deliver precisely those things!
5 Jul 2018

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Peregrina · 10/07/2018 17:05

I can't help but keep returning to the rush - and fight to trigger A50.

But where this went wrong was May calling a snap election, in which she was going to slaughter the Opposition, and failed to do so. If she had managed, it would have been full steam ahead, we would have been out now, industry would not be threatening to leave but would have gone.

OlennasWimple · 10/07/2018 17:05

Yup, prettybird. MPs get the equivalent of one month's salary for every year that they have been an MP, up to 6 months (so about £33k) plus £50k to help wind up their constituency office plus
expenses incurred as an MP prior to the election, plus housing allowance for up to two months (if they were already claiming it). So I'm not weeping into my cornflakes about the Jackson mortgage bill just yet

frankiestein401 · 10/07/2018 17:06

perhaps barnier could be negotiated down to a deal that eg in return for a payment of

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 10/07/2018 17:08

Have we hit the point where it may be easier to list who hasn't resigned?

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:09

Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
Letter from @bbradleymp encapsulates the awakening on Tory benches that the December deal is a major problem.

'December Deal'

I bet this one hasn't read the Good Friday Agreement either. Much less understood it.

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Hasenstein · 10/07/2018 17:09

Apologies if this is off topic, although it is further evidence of chipping away at the NHS:

DW's ear was blocked and needed clearing out - she obviously has overproductive wax-making pixies in there and has had to have them sluiced out at intervals over the years. Takes a few minutes, not pleasant and a bit wet, but nothing too onerous.

So she called our local health centre as usual, but apparently they don't do this any more and offered her a "self-help" leaflet. As it just suggested stuff she does anyway, which wasn't working, she called back and they said she'd have to go to a new "ear care" centre which has recently opened. Private, of course.

She went along today and was charged £95 for one ear.

This is a very simple, nominally low-cost procedure which the NHS has stopped doing. It's been a couple of years since she last had it done, so maybe this is now common practice and we need to get with the programme, but it's a hell of a lot of money to have to pay for a simple and previously free service.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:10

Have we hit the point where it may be easier to list who hasn't resigned?

That's easy.

Theresa May.
Phillip Hammond.
Jeremy Hunt.
Michael Gove.

Are the others currently relevant?

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Peregrina · 10/07/2018 17:13

Oh dear oh dear, in the Guido Fawkes piece listed above about Brexiters turning on each other, Maria Caulfield laments that "the most hurtful bit is the way those of us who support leave have turned overnight into the enemy."

What, you don't like your own medicine? Join the club dear with 16 million Remainers, and those Judges who were decried as enemies of the people.

woman11017 · 10/07/2018 17:14

Larry the cat.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:17

Beth Rigby @BethRigby
Maria Caufield > this policy will be bad for our country and bad for our party

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2018 17:18

Larry the cat

He's next up in line for an opening in May's Cabinet of meritocracy.

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