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Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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RedToothBrush · 26/06/2018 22:34

Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

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Icantreachthepretzels · 05/07/2018 13:05

Then we'll have to consider the euro issue

Au contraire! following the absolute nose dive the pound is going to take (and it's already doing badly) our currency will be far too unstable for them to risk amalgamating us into their single currency project. We will be allowed to keep the pound - but only because it will be the currency equivalent of a leper.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/07/2018 13:09

Brexit impact papers viewing requests made by just 6% of MPs and peers

Shows how eager Parliament is to learn some facts Hmm
wtf are they all doing to earn their salaries ? Angry
… clearly nearly all are just sticking their heads in the sand and their arses in the air

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/05/brexit-impact-papers-viewing-requests-made-by-just-6-of-mps-and-peers

Less than 6% of MPs and peers have asked to see the Brexit impact papers, which were released under tight security after a House of Commons battle with Brexit secretary David Davis.
< looks like that battle was just for show >

The Department for Exiting the European Union revealed that 83 parliamentarians have visited the restricted access reading room where they were placed last December
… from 1,450 MPs and peers, it amounts to less than 6%.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/07/2018 13:16

There are strict criterion for being allowed to join the Euro - Greece taught everyone not to accept delusional fudging on this.

The UK didn't qualify to join, even before the ref

  • iirc 5% annual budget deficit, i.e. the govt spending 5% more than it receives.

After any Brexit but BINO, it is likely to be many years before the pound stabilises sufficiently and the budget deficit is within the prescribed bounds.
In practice, any member country can avoid joining the Euro, by deliberately exceeding the budget deficit every now and then.

Icantreachthepretzels · 05/07/2018 13:23

And that's from the telegraph!
I couldn't see it because it was behind a paywall - who do they blame in the end?

54321go · 05/07/2018 13:26

{ clearly nearly all are just sticking their heads in the sand and their arses in the air}
When James Nesbitt did this someone 'planted' a daffodil in it IIRC.
Does the (new) Novichok incident play into the scheme?

GhostofFrankGrimes · 05/07/2018 13:26

I don't subscribe to the rag but it appears the towel has been thrown in. BTL comments are always, er, "interesting".

WorriedMutha · 05/07/2018 14:16

And there was I thinking that Daily Mail journalists didn't care about Brexit job losses.‏

@NickCohen4
Mail journalist to me last night on the panic the imminent arrival of Geordie Greig is causing: "All the leavers are becoming remainers. It's the only way they can remain in their jobs"
2:04 am - 5 Jul 2018

GhostofFrankGrimes · 05/07/2018 14:27

Going to be really interesting to see how the Pro Brexit rags play this in the coming months now that Brexit turns into a shambles and no unicorn sightings. Will they simply blame the EU? Will they attempt to convince their readers that EU membership is not so bad. 2019 - year of the Brexit post mortem.

RedToothBrush · 05/07/2018 14:54

Or will they start chasing a younger readership???

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DGRossetti · 05/07/2018 14:57

I don't think anybody under 30 is really a newspaper person ...

TheElementsSong · 05/07/2018 15:17

Going to be really interesting to see how the Pro Brexit rags play this in the coming months now that Brexit turns into a shambles and no unicorn sightings.

Going to be really interesting to see how Leave posters here will spin this. Oh wait, I already know, because they'll say the exact same things they've been saying for 2 years (and which, for all I know, they've been saying for the past 40 years).

DGRossetti · 05/07/2018 15:21

Going to be really interesting to see how Leave posters here will spin this.

Those that are left ... they've gone awful quiet ...

topcat1980 · 05/07/2018 15:25

How leave posters will spin this:

Suck it up buttercup.

You lost, shut up.

If the EU hadn't sent Cameron away with nothing this wouldn't have happened its their fault!

This is one in the eye for the elites!

WorriedMutha · 05/07/2018 15:28

It feels like the penny is dropping in the leave camp. I check friends and the friends of friends on fb who used to put all the goady leave posts up. Zilch. It also feels like there are fewer 'treachery, enemies of the people' headlines around. Or is that just the football.

54321go · 05/07/2018 15:30

'We WON, get over it'.
Specifying what they won may be a tad more tricky however.

DGRossetti · 05/07/2018 15:44

Either because their job is done, or because they are under more intense scrutiny (although a second poisoning in the UK suggests the Russians aren't that worried about who knows it ....) the trollbot activity appears to have evaporated.

There may still be a lot of fake comments, but the upvoting on various fora has pretty much died out. Which certain confuses some Brexiteers, as they've got used to instant upvotes and "most popular" etc etc, and now ... nothing. Which is even more destabilising in a way. Wait till the Brexiteers start accusing everyone of "being against them" and arguing that they are being silenced by the . Zionist conspiracy is still top of the pops here .... or liberal elite.

Hasenstein · 05/07/2018 15:51

DGR

" the upvoting on various fora has pretty much died out."

I've mentioned this recently. The BBC's HYS on Brexit matters has swung markedly over recent weeks. Judging by the "Most Popular" on this article, the Brexiteers (and even the Leavers) are now considerably in the minority.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44719576

It seems people are finally waking up to harsh reality. Is it too late, though? Is there time for a People's Vote or will Parliament finally sniff the wind when the Trade bill is debated and vote against the govdrnment? Or will they just bugger off on their hols and reduce our window of action even further?

54321go · 05/07/2018 15:56

From BBC website:
In an attempt to address concerns, Mrs May said at Prime Minister's Questions the government would ensure "we are out of the customs union, that we are out of the single market, that we are out of the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice, we are out of the Common Agricultural Policy, we are out of the Common Fisheries Policy, we bring an end to free movement, we take control of our borders, we have an independent trade policy".}

In short, we will be 'stuffed'.

54321go · 05/07/2018 15:59

I feel a song coming on:
So long, farewell Auwiedersehen, goodbye,,,,,

DGRossetti · 05/07/2018 16:00

The trick of dirty tricks, is to not really care about the outcome.

Brexit or not, as a force in Europe the UK is fucked. Which was possibly the entire idea.

Of the people who have already benefited who cares what happens now ?

Thinking about the US election ... irrespective of whether Clinton or Trump had won, the outcome - a horribly divided nation - has ensued.

No matter how far fetched this all sounds, just remember that if John Le Carre had a plot where a defector from Eastern Europe was killed with a poisoned umbrella, he'd have been slated for an over active imagination.

54321go · 05/07/2018 16:08

You don't mean like the guy in London 30 odd years ago?
So, Who is the one holding the white fluffy cat?

lonelyplanetmum · 05/07/2018 16:23

*From BBC website:
In an attempt to address concerns, Mrs May said at Prime Minister's Questions the government would ensure "we are out of the customs union, that we are out of the single market, that we are out of the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice, *

So kind of her to address concerns. It's just that it's been two years now and she's done nothing to address my concerns.

How gracious to keep on addressing the winners' concerns.

GladAllOver · 05/07/2018 16:41

I feel a song coming on:
So long, farewell Auwiedersehen, goodbye,,,,,

Farewell, adiEU, adiEU...

lettuceWrap · 05/07/2018 18:22

I missed PMQT today - Mrs May reassuring us that we will up shit creek without a paddle? Sad