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Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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RedToothBrush · 26/06/2018 22:34

Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

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woman11017 · 03/07/2018 19:40

I'll take Merkel hanging in there as my bit of good news for today, and what you said BCF that racism is not a vote winner in Germany (and Spain, Greece, Netherlands, France.............)

BigChocFrenzy · 03/07/2018 19:43

Home Office faces legal challenge over UK child citizenship fees

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/03/home-office-legal-challenge-child-citizenship-fees-uk

Thousands of children living in the UK, who were born in the country or came at a young age, are obliged by law to pay £1,012 to register as British citizens.

The Project for Registration of Childrenn^ as British citizens (PRCBC) and Amnesty International UK are seeking a judicial review heard by the high court to get these fees lowered and scrapped for those who cannot afford them.

Campaigners say the extortionate charges are forcing families into destitution, with one mother forced to choose between food and saving money for her child.

They say profits made from children’s applications are used to offset unrelated immigration costs even though many children affected were born in the UK and have never left.

“An estimated 120,000 children in the UK who have grown up British are being charged unaffordable fees to register their citizenship rights.
The futures of these children are slowly and silently being chipped away.

Such barefaced profiteering from children by the Home Office is utterly shameful,” said Solange Valdez-Symonds, director at PRCBC.
< all part of May's "hostile atmosphere" >

BigChocFrenzy · 03/07/2018 19:47

The HO are wannabe Trumpers:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/03/uk-immigration-authorities-separating-children-from-parents

The British government is separating children from parents who have been taken into immigration detention – the practice that brought worldwide condemnation for the Trump administration.

Scores of children – and possibly hundreds – are separated from a parent or carer in the UK every year, according to a charity that challenges immigration detention.

woman11017 · 03/07/2018 19:53

Not a march or a protest against any of HO treatment of those poor children, parents, Windrush elders and 'EU' citizens, here, BCF The silence speaks volumes.

woman11017 · 03/07/2018 20:54

Spoke to soon. Seb Dance does ok here:
@SammyJRyan
Yes @SebDance! Why do we continue to follow the racists and xenophobes when it comes to migration? Watch this speech.
twitter.com/SammyJRyan/status/1014174187202674688

Icantreachthepretzels · 03/07/2018 21:42

I've just got back from a screening of 'Postcards from the 48%' - it was excellent and uplifting and sensible. Definitely try to see if it you can - if it's to get onto the television at all it needs a good turn out in the cinemas it goes to - and a good presence on SM, so once you've seen it tweet and FB about it - and post a rating on IMDB.

Towards the end he points out that over 16 million people voted to remain and that is more than the total population of Belgium or Greece or 18 other EU countries! We are an entire small countryfull all by ourselves, and our voices matter... so he asks that if ever the time comes when we invoke article 49, that the EU 27 remember us.

And as for anyone saying 'you lost get over it' or that we're against democracy - the director of the film did a Q and A afterwards -and he said he had known Enoch Powell once upon a time. And when Powell was spitting his vitriol about Europe, and asked why he bothered, as we were clearly heading into greater integration - he would reply he argued because it was his right to argue every single day and - if the tables were turned - he would expect the other side to do exactly the same

So now we are doing. As is our right.

The director seemed pretty upbeat about the whole thing - still not a done deal. The express et al are not reviewing it and he is quite chipper about that, because he expected them to review it just to tear it apart - their silence means they know they can't, so they're just hoping to bury it. But he is doing a 2 hour podcast with the Daily Telegraph.
My take away message from it was that plenty of people - who know way more about this than I do - still believe that the fight isn't over, and it can all be stopped, just as long as we all keeping fighting and applying the pressure.

But we desperately need to get that film onto television - as very few leavers are going to pay to see it - so please, everyone, do go out of your way to see it and promote it when/ if you get the chance.

woman11017 · 03/07/2018 21:55

Icantreachthepretzels do you know where it's going to be screened outside London? Sounds good!

woman11017 · 03/07/2018 21:57

I can see Brighton, Derry and Dover on the Postcards from the 48 page, maybe they might do more..........

BrexitWife · 03/07/2018 22:03

Actually BCF i would say that the HO has done that for longer than Trump.
Separating families and children form their parents has never been an issue for the HO. Apparently having a parent -child relationship over Skype is totally ok...

But no no rally for the windrush immigrants or those children or anyone else affected by the breech of human rights the HO displays regularly (eg disabled people and the PIPs).
I dint think there will be. The attitude in the US and in the U.K. around rally and experessiing yur disapproval is very different.

DGRossetti · 03/07/2018 22:03

No, on reflection, it drives a coach & horses through the SM

Things may have changed since 1957, but FoM wasn't tacked on as a "nice to have". It was agreed upon because all 3 of the founding countries had seen what horrors can happen when a country is able to trap it's own population.

Once of the most sickening things about the Brexit wartime appeals, is how Brexiteers fundamentally do not understand what WW2 did to Europe. A Europe which sought to move on, whilst perversely the UK seems determined to stay living there.

Or that's my take on it.

Icantreachthepretzels · 03/07/2018 22:05

I was watching in Leeds tonight. Leeds fro Europe put it on ... so maybe contact your local x for Europe branch and badger them to screen it. It was on over the England match and we still had a good turn out.

It premiered in Edinburgh last week I think, he's taking it to Galway to the film festival next week (probably not helpful) I think he said it was booked into something like 36 cinemas - I assume not all located in London. But definitely if you have a local pro-European group get onto them to organise a screening - tell them Leeds have already done it, so why can't you! Grin

DGRossetti · 03/07/2018 22:09

Icantreachthepretzels do you know where it's going to be screened outside London?

(Doesn't bother to check)

Bet nowhere near Birmingham

(Checks)

Nope. I win Sad.

God, I miss old London once again (and I think it's a sin)

woman11017 · 03/07/2018 22:17

Good idea Pretzels I've just looked on local group's page, I'll ask them.

DGRossetti · 03/07/2018 22:18

Ganamos. Superalo.

Grin

(Although I might not walk around Bogota in that ....)

Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff
woman11017 · 03/07/2018 22:19

3 nil to the SNP prettybird Grin
SNP criticised for forcing votes during England World Cup match

Icantreachthepretzels · 03/07/2018 22:45

Bet nowhere near Birmingham

Brum in the EU is a group that exists ( I know because their logo is in the film) contact them and get them to organise it. Our screening was put on by the EU group rather than actually put on by the cinema (it doesn't actually open til Friday). If you have a small, independent cinema somewhere in the Birmingham area they'll be willing to put it on if you can sell more than 57 tickets. Tonight was done through a sort of crowd funding cinema thing. I think it was called 'our film'... ?

mathanxiety · 03/07/2018 22:53

...anyone who has broken the law - whether in collaboration with Russia or homegrown oligarchs - should be prosecuted.

The problem with that is that in the US at any rate, Robert Mercer acted legally. Thanks to Citizens United anything goes in US elections.

And I don't think the UK has laws that could be thrown at Banks. He might get fined a few hundred quid for some minor technical breach.

...the problem is that money from U.K. business can be replaced and power obtained by schmoozing people like the Koch brothers or the Mercers, or some like like JRM have personal money too. At which point we cease to be a democracy I guess.

Now that's what you might call 'taking back control'. It's like Lend Lease and the Anglo American Loan...

BigChocFrenzy · 03/07/2018 23:24

Mueller has got prosecutions & convictions, but I think just Russia-related, because taking money from Western oligarchs is so difficult to prosecute

BigChocFrenzy · 03/07/2018 23:29

Any UK enquiry can be expected to whitewash everyone, because the govt won't let Tory MPs or their oaymasters be prosecuted for what amounts to treason - too embarassing

Hence why the only hope of punishing the guilty is if they have infringed US law

  • also the US might be quite happy to jail a few foreigners, rather than US names over this murky Trump-Brexit business
OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 03/07/2018 23:41

Any news sneak out mid match?
All I caught was BBCs gender pay gap.

mathanxiety · 04/07/2018 04:58

IIrc Mueller's successes are related to offences like perjury. All well and good (Al Capone went down on tax evasion charges after all) but he needs a bullseye or his entire operation will be discredited.

Though of course there is still the funny money paid to silence Stephanie Clifford. I personally wouldn't mind seeing Trump brought down by a porn actress, and there would be no way the fundamentalists could spin that.

woman11017 · 04/07/2018 06:16

'Foreign' parents of British children being forced to take DNA tests by HO.
www.ft.com/content/7358cafc-7ec7-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d

Does even ICE do that?

woman11017 · 04/07/2018 06:23

did 'england' win the mensball last night?

@RichJolly
Kane's father was born in Ireland. Dier grew up in Portugal. Sterling was born in Jamaica. Lingard's grandparents came from Saint Vincent. Alli's father is from Nigeria. They represent England. UKIP don't.

54321go · 04/07/2018 07:17

@woman
Yes they beat Columbia on penalties (apparently). I was looking on the BBC website for anything about Brexit but nothing obvious. Kicking a ball about is more important.

lonelyplanetmum · 04/07/2018 07:19

Any news sneak out mid match?

Well the news Leave definitely broke spending limits slipped out before the football.

In more honest times this would have been truly shocking. Unfortunately no- one seems to care if our managers break the Law these days. MP expenses being used to fund a rather cute duck house provoked more public reaction back in the day. Now a constitutional fraud that affects the nation's economy is less newsworthy than the said duck house.

Today politicians' rules exist to be circumvented. What rarely features in the Leave fraud story is the fact that politicians (probably Teflon Boris and Gove) must have known that :

  1. Spending limits were reached.
2.A new £1/2 million cash injection had arrived.

The further investigation finally concludes that there was a "common plan" between the two branches of Vote Leave/ BeLeave.Therefore the law was conclusively broken. So there'll be a little fine I expect.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44704561