Westministers: Operation Over The Cliff

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Bit late and didn't realise the last thread was so close to the end... so this is a very quick OP

What do you think the secret continency plan name the government have in place for the No Deal?

Suggestions Please

The DNA testing is a violation of their rights, surely? No crime suspected, no criminal charges against the children, no warrant...

Isn't this the same sort of situation that happened in the Utah hospital when the ER nurse refused to allow blood samples to be taken (and was cuffed and mansplained at at length, but eventually the police responsible for the incident were fired...)

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/04/vote-leave-breached-electoral-rules-watchdog-will-find-reports

Elliott said the watchdog would find four breaches, including exceeding the spending limit, making an inaccurate return of campaign expenditure, missing invoices and receipts, failing to comply with a statutory notice

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/04/brexit-greatest-negative-impact-regions-outside-london

Household bills will rise by between £245 and £1,961 a year after Brexit, with a disproportionately adverse impact on lower-income groups and people in Northern Ireland, Wales, the Midlands and the north-east, they say

and more news

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-44654835

A Somerset refuse collection firm has said it is struggling to recruit crews due to Brexit and competition from the nuclear build at Hinkley Point

Farmers stuffed, bills up and bins not emptied - a perfect trifecta?

Gove on Radio 4 just now.

Asked about the conclusive report that spending limits were broken and that the two Leave campaigns were linked, he slimely refuses to comment.His responses were he "hadn't read the report" and as the report will be legally challenged he can't comment anyway. He concluded by congratulating the BBC on its scoop.

Well mate it's hardly a scoop, it's old news. And yes you can comment actually. You can say :

1.if you knew spending limits were reached; and

2.if you knew about the £600,000 donation.

www.postcards48.eu/screenings/

For me whether they spent too much on the 'campaign' is almost immaterial, the IMPORTANT aspect is that so much of it was lies intended to deceive and create divisions and diversions from the real purpose of the referendum vote which is being exposed as having very little to do with leaving the EU. So the emphasis of these 'investigations' is again missing the point, the ref vote was taken based on being fed a pack of lies.
If both 'sides' had spent several millions, it would be almost nothing compared to the calamity that is happening.

But it should matter more than it does surely? That our managers, our superiors, our statesmen and women happily sanction (or at the very least turn a blind eye to) electoral fraud.

It's all part of the lies and deceit. What happened to respect for playing fair?

Having various 'inquiries' into who spent what is a diversion from what needs doing, correction NEEDED doing nearly 2 years ago to mitigate from a disaster that was basically caused by 'in party' fighting.
While electoral fraud should not happen, at the end of the day it is money wasted but in this case it is destroying the UK.

The DNA testing is a violation of their rights, surely?

What rights ? Remember the mantra: don't deserve human rights ....

Actually the DNA testing thing is a perfect example of why UK democracy is a sham. Quite aside from the fact no one voted for it (what manifesto was it in) is the fact that it's surrounded in secrecy and lack of accountability. Without those things, you don't have democracy.

Who has been punished for the Home Offices repeatedly illegal actions (as found by a court of law) ?

Yes 54321 Bet no regime's ever used sport as cunning diversionary tactic.

The DNA/HO issue also extends to the PACE(police and criminal evidence) Act 1984, when DNA testing for suspected criminals was introduced.

This from a 2005 Liberty report.

^When the National DNA Database (NDNAD) was set up in 1995 it contained samples of those who had been convicted of certain offences (mainly involving violence or sexual assault). Since then the grounds for permanent retention have been expanded on several occasions to the current position where DNA can be retained
following arrest for a recordable offence. As a consequence of roll out the UK has by far the greatest percentage of its population on the NDNAD. 5 per cent of the UK population is on the NDNAD as opposed to 1 per cent in the United States and an average 0.3 per cent in other EU nations. The nature of roll out has resulted in a vastly disproportionate number of Afro Caribbean males being on the NDNAD. There are also an estimated 50,000 children on the register who have no convictions or cautions^
www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/sites/default/files/pace-review.pdf

1985 looks like when a lot of this started. (CCTV, preparations for 1992 Trades Union act etc)

Wonder why 1985?

I really can not deal with this weeks 'he said she said' over what fudge May is going to try next, as I'll go flipping insane.

But Andrew Neil's tweets today and yesterday are worth a look.

Andrew Neil @afneil
Far from no deal being better than a bad deal, the May Government now telling Brexiteers that no deal is not an option and that if they don’t accept what they think a “bad” deal then UK likely won’t be leaving EU at all. Simples!

Andrew Neil @afneil
The May line is becoming clearer by the hour:
There is no majority in Parliament for no deal.
My deal is only one with a chance in Brussels.
If you reject it, Parliament will vote for EEA status, the EU will accept — and Brexit will be in indefinite limbo.

and Brexit will be in indefinite limbo.

Or reversed by the pressure of youth aging ?

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Exclusive:

Significant black mark for Esther McVey, work and pensions sec

Accused in a letter from Sir Amyas Morse, the Auditor General, of lying

Her statements to MPs about universal credit were “not correct”. She has refused to see him. Her assertions “not proven”

This letter goes to a very important question in British politics Is this cabinet minister a “Truther” - someone willing to say things she or her team know are untrue, unproven and incorrect. This raises questions about whether Esther McVey is the right person to lead on UC

A healthy reminder of this quote:
The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.
Joseph Goebbels

So, once again, with government ministers quite unable to be bought to book, where's "democracy" ?

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes
Now over to @EstherMcVey1 to respond.

The NAO letter makes clear - astonishingly - the DWP officials agree with the NAO not the secretary of state.

How can we have SoS with so little regard for their own officials?

Esther McVey accused of lying to Parliament - She was never meant to have that job - Tory MPs have deep concerns about her ability in that role - She's in charge of the biggest gvt spending dept and troubled UC prog, so when she messes up and lowest paid get hurt

She's in charge of the biggest gvt spending dept and troubled UC prog, so when she messes up and lowest paid get hurt

Anyone else picture JRM creaming himself at that thought .....

{Bet no regime's ever used sport as cunning diversionary tactic}
Like Macavity (the cat), where is Mr Putin at the moment?

Anyone else picture JRM creaming himself at that thought .....

Can we not think about JRM creaming please. In any context.

Sam Coates Times @SamCoatesTimes

I have contacted the DWP press office for a response to the NAO / McVey letter.

Response here when I get it

Thread on how they MIGHT respond

A source with direct experience of such moments said that this issue will be deeply divisive in the department A more assertive civil service would block any official response (a dwp “spokesman” quote) that attacks Morse or contradicts him DGs and perm secs wd be involved

The only way Esther McVey is can attack Morse, therefore, would be to do it thru her spad (a “source close to EMcV” or “DWP source” quote). Because officials - who agree with the NAO according to the NAO - cannot

However there’s been a lot of churn in DWP comms and they might be “rolled” into a more aggressive response by a grumpy Secretary of State

So here’s what to look out for If the Esther McVey response comes from a “source” it’s because officials at DWP don’t agree with it However if the DWP spokesman quote attacks Morse you can bet blood pressure running high (remember Morse says DWP officials agree with him)

Captain Haddock @JXB101
^Surely this is a breach of the ministerial code? Principle 1.3c:
It is of paramount importance that Ministers give accurate and truthful information to Parliament, correcting any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity. 1/2^
Ministers who knowingly mislead Parliament will be expected to offer their resignation to the Prime Minister; 2/2

spoiler: she won't

YouGov @YouGov

69% of Brits think Brexit is going badly. But who do they blame?

REMAIN voters blame...
The government - 77%
Pro-Brexit politicians - 53%
Leave voters - 42%

LEAVE voters blame...
Anti-Brexit politicians - 59%
The government - 58%
The EU - 58%

At least we are starting to be refreshingly honest about corruption. I guess it's to show the rest of the world we're more than happy to lower our standards for them.

"Hey, Russia, look how quickly we're willing to abandon our principles. If we can do that with our democracy, just imagine what we can do with works rights and product safety ....."

If we win the world cup, that would be an excellent opportunity to announce remaining in the EEA.

Leave voters blaming the EU?
I suspect that if any leave voter had asked any EU politician a question about a policy that affected the UK they would have been given a reply at least close to the truth.

@Susan
No pressure then!!
Al;though I couldn't give a 'rats ar$£' about the football I hope that it is not a European country that gets England out.

If England wins the World Cup, it might be a good time to announce Indyref2

(FWIW - I think Gareth Southgate is doing a great job with his team; it's the English media who won't shut up about fecking 1966 I have the issue with)

If England wins the World Cup, expect to see the majority of the country to let their brains leak out onto the pavement and lose all sense of reality. Especially in the middle of a heat wave.

I would love to win the world cup. I'm thinking that this year, might not be the best for our national psychology because of current politics.

Which probably means its our year!