Westmistenders: 'No Deal please; We're British'

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It has to be said that its almost as if Tory Rebels are too polite to challenge the PM.

But the stakes are getting higher and higher as it becomes more and more apparent that it is a clear choice between a chaotic no deal situation or a BINO and there is no alternative to that.

If the Tory Rebels don't show their grit and are not prepared to be as strong in their determination as the Brexiteers - out of almost politeness and obligation - then No Deal awaits.

As things move forward, the threat to May once again re-emerges too. If May doesn't do what the ERG say they are minded and will try to oust her. They have nothing to lose by it.

The Tory knives are hidden behind backs one again. Waiting.

Which way will the Withdrawal Bill go? Which way will the Trade Bill later this month go?

We are running out of time and options: for either a deal or no deal.

Time has already run out for many ordinary people - they just might not know that yet, but the decision has already be made about their future.

I'm not sure we should give the government ideas like that, I can imagine them forcing poor Aiden Turner to announce any news they want to bury

This is dobby in world cup mode btw

Soon to be

"Britannia is sinking below the waves"

no hairs for me please.

I volunteer for a charity which entails spending time in schools. Horrified to learn from a teacher recently that some local schools now provide breakfast from their own funds (not sure if school funds or teachers’ own) for kids who otherwise would not be fed, and also buy uniform (literally just a hoodie) for kids who otherwise wouldn’t have any. This surely shouldn’t be happening.

mrsreynolds You are indeed a star.

You're a MrsR

but we should all be outraged that you are having to feed hungry people in the UK,
whose GDP is the world's #5, #6, … and who knows what after Brexit.

If there is no deal, I dread to think how food banks will cope, as so many donors may need to become recipients

but that no longer matters to the Labour leadership
It's all about singing praise to the great leader, who needs a Brexit Apocalypse to have a chance at entering No.10

School children in a supposedly rich country are dependent on charity for basic food and clothing
So of course Labour support Brexit, which will make more people poor

I regard the Corbyn / McDonnell wing of Labour as "disaster socialists"
needing a disastrous Brexit to get their way,
just like the "disaster capitalists'

I'm angry too.

It's insane that the govt is making people reliant on charity for food

Agreed BigChoc, far too many dangerous ideologues in politics at the moment. Revolutions of any colour always shaft the poorest hardest.

mrsr I missed your post in all the Aiden Turner love
What a fantastic thing you've done. I hope you are treating yourself with a well deserved //whatever else takes your fancy

Thank you

I'm just so angry and full of rage since 2016 - I just had to channel it some way!

On the important issue of men's chest hair, I'm afraid the options are not good enough for Goldilocks here.

I'm not into bald as a coot, oil 'em up boy types. But I'm equally adverse to just escaped the 70s unbuttoned shirt types too.

It has to be enough without being a carpet.

I'm a proper centrist with splinters in my arse.

Btw in terms of giving politicians ideas, did you see the journalist who tweeted about having a bridge link between Belfast and Glasgow in mockery of Johnson and his thing for stupid ideas about bridges...

Jon Stone @ Joncstone
Instead of a bridge duplicating the Channel Tunnel, what about a high speed rail line linking Edinburgh, Glasgow, Belfast and Dublin? The North Channel is 21km at its narrowest point, under half the length of the Channel Tunnel
29th January

Then this happened 4 days ago:

Dear god, red juxtaposing Bojo's mugshot with the suggestion of a hairy chest coming out of the sea …

NOOO. The internet is not private. Don't give them ideas !

Flanders and Swann, the cannibal song.
So, how is the 'Northern Powerhouse' project coming on?
Have those damn whippets gone on strike again?
Where there's muck there's more muck.
So, for your delectation we have Boris, Adan and Donald in spandex. While I leave you with that thought, zebedee says 'time for bed'.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/sajid-javid-conservative-leadership-new-prime-minister-a8402221.html?amp
I thought Theresa May would survive – now I’m not sure. Sajid Javid could be PM by the end of the year
The home secretary has been busy making himself popular just as Tory MPs are beginning to despair of the prime minister

Opinion piece.

Oh the irony there would be in that.

We already have the joy of Trump coming, and Javid being responsible for security (and if it's London Khan also would have responsibility).

Can you imagine if May flunked out on Brexit, cos and we ended up with a PM who wasn't, shock horror, white?

Of course it will never happen. Precisely cos Javid isn't white and the swivel eyed loons of the Tory party have to vote for their leader.

But still. I can see amusement there. He already seems to be keen on killing the hostile environment and this week has authorised a kid to get cannabis for his health*

(*after the home office confiscated some his mother got from Canada after the doctor was told he could no longer prescribe and the child subsequently had numerous fits which had been under control with the drug, thus risking his life and costing the NHS a small fortune in the process. Apparently the home secreI thought Theresa May would survive – now I’m not sure. Sajid Javid could be PM by the end of the year
The home secretary has been busy making himself popular just as Tory MPs are beginning to despair of the prime ministertary had to use extreme powers to allow it. I can't help but think May would have shrugged shoulders and refused to do so no matter what)

Oh and the 'brexit dividend' is going to the NHs... Big tax rises in the autumn then.

Oh and the 'brexit dividend' is going to the NHs... Big tax rises in the autumn then.

Well I spent the day helping and cleaning up at the school fair, and the thread goes all hairy. I'm a huge fan of hair myself but feel uncomfortable discussing men's chests.I'd be very irritated if DH was on some Internet forum discussing celebrity women's chests.

Tax- in the next budget is interesting. It's a way of testing the will of the people isn't it.
'You the people want this rejection of EU institutions, trade benefits, the EMA, the EBA,Galileo etc etc - well this is how much it costs.'

Yet Tory party survival is always more important, so short term tax planning and preservation of the status quo is more likely.

I often think that our previous position as fifth richest country is a hugely significant part of the problem. If we'd been poorer Cameron would never have risked the referendum in the first place. Or if he had, he'd have been able to say ' thanks to the people for their views but we can't afford something so risky at the moment.'
Relative wealth breeds hubris.

Andshestepped excellent piece from Tony Connolly as usual. Quite disturbing to read that that HMG is back at its old trick of briefing against the Irish government across Europe, which Dublin knows because the Europeans are telling them. The old divide and conquer mentality is still at play and in order to achieve the Brexit they want are happy to throw Ireland under their red bus. I cannot see the EU backing the UK over a member state on this.

This quote says it all really: "Paraphrasing the famous line from Tomaso di Lampedusa’s classic novel The Leopard, about a 19th century aristocratic family in Sicily coming to terms with the reunification of Italy, a senior EU official said in a recent briefing to journalists: "We need the UK to accept the consequences of its decisions. I have the impression that for the UK, everything has to change on the EU side, so that everything stays the same for the UK."

Mother- sorry I cross posted.

That link you posted to that Article suggests some one at the Independent is a MNetter.

That EU doc was dated Friday 13 April. We only just discussed it on the thread on Friday and it pops up in the Independent yesterday !

Javid is a perfectly plausible PM. The Tories have so far managed two substantive female leaders and Labour only two brief periods of female caretaking. The Tories' total commitment to power means that they will put anyone they think will win into post. The members may or may not have many racists, but after all they usually manage to bypass the members' vote if they think the ability to get/stay in power will be affected.

Huggee
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again...
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
I’m sure , like JRM , you find the massive increase in food bank you “uplifting”...

Foods bank use

Thanks Mrs Reynolds

Keep up the good work!

Heyduggees what a stupid comment. Do you know the difference between virtue-signalling and actual virtue?

The food bank i used weren't virtual signalling, they were helping. I know someone whose husband's disability payments were stopped overnight (he got them back eventually) and the food bank weren't virtue signalling when they helped them either. I donate to food banks when I can now, as I am grateful for the help i received when I needed it. Am I virtue signalling too?