Westmistenders: 'No Deal please; We're British'

[RedToothBrush]

It has to be said that its almost as if Tory Rebels are too polite to challenge the PM.

But the stakes are getting higher and higher as it becomes more and more apparent that it is a clear choice between a chaotic no deal situation or a BINO and there is no alternative to that.

If the Tory Rebels don't show their grit and are not prepared to be as strong in their determination as the Brexiteers - out of almost politeness and obligation - then No Deal awaits.

As things move forward, the threat to May once again re-emerges too. If May doesn't do what the ERG say they are minded and will try to oust her. They have nothing to lose by it.

The Tory knives are hidden behind backs one again. Waiting.

Which way will the Withdrawal Bill go? Which way will the Trade Bill later this month go?

We are running out of time and options: for either a deal or no deal.

Time has already run out for many ordinary people - they just might not know that yet, but the decision has already be made about their future.

Red, lorries from NI have to go through Ireland to get across to Holyhead.

HAHAHAHAHHA!

Oh dear.

Katie Martin @katiemartinfx
Fund founded by Rees-Mogg sets up post-Brexit vehicle in Dublin -
www.ft.com/content/38987fe2-6f19-11e8-92d3-6c13e5c92914
Fund founded by Rees-Mogg sets up post-Brexit vehicle in Dublin
Somerset Capital will be able to serve EU-based clients after UK withdraws from bloc

Faisal Islam @faisalislam
15 Labour MPs voting against the EEA:

Barron, Campbell, Rosie Cooper, Field, Fitzpatrick, Flint, Mike Hill, Hoey, Kevan Jones, Mann, Skinner, Smith, Snell, Spellar, Stringer

- So @LauraSmithMP resigning to vote against EEA not for it.

Adam Payne @adampayne26
Official numbers: 74 Labour Mps voted for the EEA, 15 against it. That's 89 Labour MPs who defied Jeremy Corbyn. One hell of a rebellion.

Woohoo, the PLP is showing backbone
Finally
It is indeed in the interests of their constituents to avoid an economic nightmare

Being Labour, they have to rebel about rebelling
and run in all directions at once

Hope Jezza, Hoey, Flint et al mend their ways promptly or some one might help Jezza get back to his allotment sooner rather than later.

< gives evil laugh at red from Germany

I emigrated because I feared my supply of Lindt choc might be endangered, not because of veg >

BBC interview with outgoing CBI president Paul Drechsler:

“I'm afraid the fundamental challenge that faces the country today is that we're trying to bring together ideology and politics against economics
and there's no compromise between those that will make this country wealthier“

He also said that sections of the UK car industry face extinction unless the UK stays in the EU customs union

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44462829

"We already know tens of millions, in fact hundreds of millions have been invested by UK pharmaceutical and finance companies to create continuity post a worse-case Brexit scenario.
Tens of millions.
What could we have done with that money?"

No lorries can go from Belfast to Stranraer, I believe.

They wouldn't be the ones going through Holyhead though, Peregrina. I'd imagine the Stranraer route would nigh on double the trip. Depends on where they want to spend the added hours.

Mind you, isn't Cairnryan the port used instead of Stranraer now. May be wrong.

Not to fill up the entire thread, (soz), but a new route could be created down the Irish Sea. The scenic route past the Isle of Man.

Must have imagined all the Irish registered lorries on the M8/M77 on their way to Cairnryan

in fact, we were sideswiped by one when we were on the Kingston Bridge where there is no hard shoulder

So that will be major disruption in wintertime then as the M6 through the Lakes bets a fair bit of snow.

Gets of course!

On google maps ferry from Holyhead goes to Dublin.

Ferries from Belfast go to Cairnryan, Heysham and Liverpool.

Could they not just put on a ferry from Holyhead to Belfast? Seeing as there wouldn't be a point in having so many going to Dublin?

Smug middle class

Well.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! 😡

I grew up dirt poor.

How dare you?

Just because I think brexit is the biggest political, economic and social threat this country has faced since WW2 I'm middle class?

Why do Putin and trump want brexit?

To try and destabilise the biggest and most successful reading block in the world maybe??

Disaster capitalism??

Sadly for them the "rise of the far right" didn't happen in the netherlands or Germany or Austria....as they predicted it would.

The UK is now ripe for the picking. Chlorinated chicken, privatised health care and no workers rights HERE WE COME!!

New Albion indeed.

I say again, please...any brexiter...please come and tell us what will be better after brexit.

Come on!!

I'm agog.

The Welsh seem to have been ignored. Didn't they want to remain?
Keep Wales in the EU and reestablish Offas Dyke.

Suspect that the majority of artics coming through Cairnryan at the moment will be serving the Scottish markets (or delivering Scottish produce to NI/ROI).

It may become more important if/when we crash out leave the EU - although as Red says, a new route from Belfast to Holyhead may become viable. Although I think the Belfast-Heysham link fits that category.

Of course, if (once ) Scotland gains its independence and joins EEA/EFTA (as a temporary measure, prior to rejoining the EU, then it's all up in the air again

Remember that the ROI now has a (or more?) humungous RoRo ferry, bought with the help of EU funding, going direct from Dublin to mainland Europe.

The E27 is busy making plans even if the UK isn't.

www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/13/eu_uk_galileo/

It's official: the UK is going to be booted off the Galileo satellite GPS program as a result of Brexit, despite furious protestations from Britain that it's a special case.

The decision was reached by all 27 member states of Europe at a meeting on Tuesday and was confirmed in a slide deck [PDF] released on Wednesday.

(contd)

All 27

repeat:

All 27

Where's Dale Carnegie when you need him ?

ph, and:

The UK will still be allowed to use the system and can act as an observer but it will be frozen out of future developments and contracts. What the UK government will be most upset about is that the fact it will be no longer be allowed access to the highly secure military-grade signal Public Regulated Service (PRS), a huge blow that will put the UK, and its military, far behind other Western nations when it comes to using the latest global technologies.

It doesn't matter what 'Leaver's' wanted. They won the vote so 'get over it' and just to prove how good it is it will be expensive, very expensive like Stella Artois and Channel and other stuff that is over expensive.

And so far ALL the 'exciting' bits in the Galileo project were built by Britain. Does this mean unlike other scandals there is a load of photocopying going on?

One of my favourite things is the ongoing assumption by some Leave radicals that anyone who pauses to think through the consequences of the course of action they're urging us all towards is middle class.

They are wrong. And the old slogans - you must all hate democracy, you are all elitists, blah blah - don't work anymore. The campaign is over, the strategy needed to be set over a year ago, the implementation hasn't even started yet but should have months ago, the delivery will not happen so we either roll back or crash. No-one wanted to believe anything required real work and radical change, and now they're getting a long overdue surprise.

The Emperor has no clothes. Even common-as-muck old me can see it.