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Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

Independence as in 'mind and body go separate ways'?

frumpety 26% where are you getting that figure from ? Out of the people who were allowed to vote Leave had a majority,

Well it’s reassuring to know that there is some actually planning going on behind the scenes at DEeXU. I think we can see that a lot of money has already been spent so it makes sense to see it through to the end does it not

The sort of planning that is required isn't happening, land for lorry parks, extra capacity at our ports, more border agency staff, updated computer systems etc.
Farming Today highlighted fruit rotting on the ground because the Gov cannot get a temp visa scheme sorted, its not inspiring is it?

Once a farmer loses money on a crop, he wont grow it again, we ll just have to import fruit/veg etc or not have it.

26 % of the population of the UK Rosstac.

74% of the UK population didn't vote to Leave.

So in fact one could say that a majority of the electorate did not want to leave the EU, adding together the non voters and remainers.

In fact, one could also say that the majority of the electorate did want to leave the EU, adding together the non-voters & leavers.
One would assume that non-voters were happy to go along with the majority...

Once a farmer loses money on a crop, he wont grow it again,

I suspect it's far far worse than that. Harvesting produce is part of the cycle of farming and land management that goes with agriculture (from the latin "culture of famers and farming"). If farmers can't harvest their crops, the land will start to suffer ... it can take decades if not centuries to develop decent arable land.

Once again, we have to be honest, and point out that the average Brexiteers knowledge of a subject they pontificate on at great length is less than zero. If a Brexiteer were ever required to run a farm, you know their only reference material would be a 1950s box of chocolates with a cart being loaded with hay by smiling farm workers.

DaisyTwirl does have a point.

Generally in the UK, a non-vote is accepted as a vote for whatever the outcome is.

One of the reason to ignore people who don't vote and then grumble.

74% of the UK population didn't vote to Leave.

And a higher % of the UK population didn't vote to remain.

Why are you still going round in these ridiculous circles re who won the Ref?

Leave won. The majority of those who could be arsed to vote, voted to leave. Remain got less votes than leave. There was no majority for remain.
It doesn't matter how hard you try to spin it otherwise, the answer remains the same.

Sorry Daisy it is a while since I left school and I know there have been significant changes to the way in which Maths is taught , but I am fairly sure that 74% is still regarded as a bigger amount than 26% ?

It is still factual to state that only 26% of the UK population voted to leave the EU and 74% of the UK population didn't vote to leave the EU. You may disagree with the way in which I have worded it , if it doesn't suit your opinion, but you cannot deny it is factual.

Farming Today highlighted fruit rotting on the ground because the Gov cannot get a temp visa scheme sorted, its not inspiring is it?

The government could choose to reinstate Visa Tier 3 post Brexit.

In other elections the practice is that non-voters are happy with the status quo.

In other elections the practice is that non-voters are happy with the status quo.

Or the outcome ?

That's the problem with not voting. You have your choice misrepresented by those that would.

The real answer, of course, would have been to have set a bar for the vote so that a vote to Leave - a voter for change - required more than a simple majority. You know, like all the other referendums we have ever had.

The government could choose to reinstate Visa Tier 3 post Brexit.

They could also pass a law banning the change of seasons, to much the same effect.

The reason people aren't coming to the UK to pick fruit is not because they need a visa. It's because they need us more than we need ... oh hang on

In other elections the practice is that non-voters are happy with the status quo.

But this was a referendum.
Where every vote was equal, every vote counted and wasn't wasted & we were told repeatedly that the result would be enacted.

To not vote was to say 'I'm happy to go along with the majority'.

If they were happy with the status quo, then they should have said so by voting to remain. They didn't.

"we were told repeatedly that the result would be enacted."

Its funny that leavers all disbelieve everything Cameron said, except this bit, which conveniently gets what they want.

And no, the convention does not change just because you want it to. A non-vote as in elections means that you are happy with the status quo.

And the reason I am still talking about the referendum result is because the 26% are going to cause significant harm to the 74% . I personally don't think that is right or fair or dare I say it , democratic

And the reason I am still talking about the referendum result is because the 26% are going to cause significant harm to the 74% . I personally don't think that is right or fair or dare I say it , democratic

Students of history (so not Brexiteers) would recognise danger in that kind of split. Heads on spikes, etc.

A non-vote as in elections means that you are happy with the status quo.

Except it doesn't.

It means they didn't bother to vote & register their say.

That is it.

You can infer all you want, but the fact remains that not voting means your opinion/voice/choice is not considered at all.

You argue it means status quo, I counter that it means happy to go along with majority - both meaningless stances at the end of the day.

More people voted to leave than voted to remain.

I don't understand why people are still in denial.

Some remainers will fight tooth & nail to reverse the result - that's their prerogative & I get that; but to still carry on with the fantasy that remain had won in some way is beyond weird.

But as a percentage of the UK population, those who actually voted to leave are still a minority

In the words of Kylie Minogue this one is ‘especially for you’ DGR

In the words of Kylie Minogue this one is ‘especially for you’ DGR