Not the Brexit Arms

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Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

Fangirl you forgot

1. The country revokes art 50 and we don't Brexit in any way , its still on the cards.

I'm not sure what a TM's logic was in

a) disclosing Trump's advice to her was to sue the EU
b) it was her holiding his hand on the steps to help him

The first just proves the man is a liability who's word and advice count for nothing and the second sounds pathetically childish as he clearly manages stairs on his own and with other people, particularly his wife, without holding hands.

Bear

I’m kind of with you on A) I didn’t have TM down as someone who would divulge what was said in a private conversation - just seems a bit odd

B) I think she was just getting in their first, I do think he genuinely has trouble with stairs/slopes when there isn’t handrails etc doesn’t he?!? If not

Thinking more about it, maybe it’s their little joke and it would give everyone something else to talk about (which it has) because she wasn’t actually going to divulge what was really talked about.

time, I'm always surprised he doesn't take Melania's arm on stairs- she always wears sky scraping heels so even if it was to cover up his trouble with stairs, it would look chivalrous.

As it is, the only person who's hand I've seen him hold on stairs is TM, which is simply to undermine her.

The country revokes art 50 and we don't Brexit in any way

Lab/Con do not want a second referendum and neither support staying in the EU.

Who/how is it even possible to revoke A50 other than remainers wet dreams? If the UK and the EU dont agree with the white paper, or the EU agree but parliament wont pass it then come March 2019 we are out. How does 'the country' do anything?

I suppose if remainers riot enough very unlikely we could have another GE but that still doesn't stop A50 unless the old man forgotten his name in charge of the Lib-Dems suddenly becomes a saint or a god!

Speculation on the WM thread that Boris is gong to properly upset the apple cart and change allegiance to Remain.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me and could be the best thing all round.

Fingers crossed, although relying on him to do the right thing really is scraping the barrel!

Speculation on the WM thread that Boris is gong to properly upset the apple cart and change allegiance to Remain. It honestly wouldn't surprise me and could be the best thing all round.

If that did happen, this thread would be deserted

Watch out for Trump throwing a curveball when he's back in la-la land the US and declare Brexit a disaster, and not good for the UK.

DRG that would be even more random than BJ changing sides but nothing is beyond possibility these days.

Well that’s career suicide surely and would take buffoonery to a whole new level. Would it make any difference to anything anyway? he would just be cast aside into the political wilderness and we plod on.

I'm not sure time, I actually think it's so ridiculous he could actually pull it off.

Are remainers spreading more 'fake news'? I bet there isn't a shred of credible evident or even speculation from anyone in the know that BJ is switching. He wants to be PM and that would end his political career for ever.

There is more than a subtle difference between speculating what might happen and saying that it will happen.

He wants to be PM and that would end his political career for ever.

I actually think it's his only hope of becoming PM.

He's not going to take on the poison chalice of delivering Brexit now so can't challenge for PM now.

Brexit is going to destroy the Tory party whatever happens now.

Boris knows that the country is going to be worse off whatever happens at this stage and that they'll be repercussions from that.

So unless he does something radical, it's going to be a long time before he gets another chance.

It was I that said Boris would announce that Brexit is a very bad thing for the country. It would completely check mate Teresa May. He could spin it as him miscalculating the harm to the UK and now he is aware of the immense harm he must speak out for the good of the country. As I have said , there are far worse things than being wrong, especially when your eye is on the top job.

I think that people forget that Brexit not happening would actually mean that the vast majority of MP's would do a secret dance of delight.

I disagree.

They are framing it - the Brexitteers and the Brexit newspapers - have clearly framed it that 'Theresa May's Brexit' will fuck up the country. Not their Brexit, their Brexit would have been awesome.

Lab/Con do not want a second referendum and neither support staying in the EU.

That's what they are saying at the moment ( mainly because they happen to like their £77k+ pay cheques), doesn't actually make it true.

< waits for argument that politicians never lie >

It's a good call frumpety 😁

Frumpety you think by him effectively saying ‘whoops I made a mistake and I’m now changing my mind because I made a miscalculation’ will get him the top job? I think there will be about 17million people who would think he deserves something very different.

I still think, if he is to make a big speech this week, it will be to put his hat in the ring and go hard Brexit. I really can’t see him doing anything other.

Not their Brexit, their Brexit would have been awesome.

Except their Brexit never had any substance or form.

I appreciate hard core Leavers will moan about it forever but actually, it being stopped, whatever form it takes, would be the best thing for the majority of the country.

frumpetys right- the majority of MPs would sigh a collective sigh of relief.

BJ was always pro-EU until he saw the opportunity to raise his profile by backing Leave.

His plan was for Leave to be pipped at the post and for him to be the people's hero.

Only Leave went and won and fucked his plan right up.

That's what they are saying at the moment

at what point in the proceedings are they going to disclose exactly where they do stand?

What a state of affairs

I still think, if he is to make a big speech this week, it will be to put his hat in the ring and go hard Brexit

I'd bet my virtual hat he is not going to do that.

What 'normal' leavers fail to acknowledge is hard Brexit will crucify the country.

Disaster capitalists will do very well out of that so are happy to back it, but for the average Joe it will be a nightmare.

BJ knows that so he won't touch the PM challenge with a barge pole.

Being seen to please 17m people (many of whom think we left 2 years ago and don't give it a second thought now) or screwing up the economy for 66m people (less the handful of people who'd truly benefit from a Brexit disaster) is a no brainer.

Time you are making the mistake that 17 million people think exactly the same way you do , they didn't on the day of the vote and they don't now , that is what has made the whole thing so bloody difficult and complicated. Are you honestly stating as a fact that 17 million people want a hard Brexit or in reality a no deal exit from the EU ?

Not their Brexit, their Brexit would have been awesome.

Except their Brexit never had any substance or form.

Well, we all know that, but the brexiteers are still in utter denial.

Boris won’t move now, what would be the point? If I were advising him, I’d say, wait, wait, wait, then say Theresa’s Brexit is so shit, he’d rather stay in than go out on these terms.

Frumpety apologies that was very presumptuous of me .

If I am alone in that opinion then BJ can crack on, I’m sure he won’t miss my vote and will romp home