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[bearbehind]

Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

I'd bet my house that BJ will go nowhere near any leadership race.

He bowed out of the last one with some public schoolboy fudge because he knew it was a poison chalice.

If you honestly still believe he'd do that you're in cloud cuckoo land.

He knows, as do all Remainers, this can't be done.

And he sure as shit isn't going to put his name into the hat now it's even more blindingly obvious to all except those who refuse to see it.

I think if Boris wants the top job will have to throw his hat in the ring now, I don’t think he will get another opportunity. He needs to put his money where his mouth is otherwise he will just be remembered as the guy who bailed out when the going got tough.

I would rather have Boris than Gove if push came to shove.

I agree, I'd be amazed if he stood to be pm. He doesn't be the one holding the can when the music stops.

Boris would have walked it if he had stood when Cameron resigned. But he ran off to play cricket. As for the Heathrow vote - he managed to invent a pressing engagement overseas to avoid the issue. Where is the man's backbone?

@Heyduggeesflipflop

Unless there is an answer to NI and things like EASA, customs at Dover, then we cannot "leave"

All that will happen is we ll be stuck in Transition for years to come as the EU tie us up in knots and we pay in for the privilege..

Well done for fucking up the country & all because you don't like foreigners

Boris' resignation letter basically says Brexit can't be done 'properly' and will need a number of compromises. Basically being a 'colony'.
He has said far too many inflammatory and contradictory things over the years to make him truly viable.

It literally couldn't be any worse for TM yet she's still in place because no other bugger is willing to replace her.

Sadly I’m sure it could somehow be worse for TM - and it’s currently a complete catastrophe.

Boris was an arch EU fan boy for many years, he even wrote a piece shortly before the vote explaining his pro EU views.
He then made the judgement call that Leave would win and he set his stall accordingly.
That he has conned so many people to his cause is quite remarkable.

A despicable man

He then made the judgement call that Leave would win and he set his stall accordingly

He did not. He thought the complete opposite.

He thought Leave would lose but he could up his profile by campaigning for them and be the hero that tried - then they went and won which totally ruined his plans.

Poor ( not in the economic sense, absolutely rolling in filthy lucre ) Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson ! He will be back at some point, although I doubt in any upcoming leadership battle, he wont be able to keep out of the limelight for long.

Quod falsum est, quam multo , I am sure Bojo could spin that to make himself sound almost decent if he tried

In English , 'There are far worse things than being wrong', for Boris that would probably include admitting he was wrong !

Admitting he was wrong, may be his only hope for his political future

bearbehind - possibly but he was hardly a lack lustre performer and threw everything into the ring, inc, what he must have known was a master stroke, the the coach and £350m, not for roads, defence or libraries but the NHS! a sure fire winner.
He couldnt be sure leave would win and he certainly had no plan but the op came along to be PM and was only scuppered when Gove switched sides.

Well thats my take on it.

He thought Leave would lose but he could up his profile by campaigning for them and be the hero that tried - then they went and won which totally ruined his plans.

To remind yourself that this is the case, google for footage of the reaction of the people of Sunderland when Leave won - great joy, people jumping up and down with glee. Then google for Gove and Johnson - their faces tell it all. Plus Gove's wife apparently saying, to quote Michael Cane 'You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off'.

But then, this is a bit like surferjet blaming Blair for Brexit, when it was something she desired.

Exactly peregrina

The 2 most shocked and horrified faces when Leave won were that of Gove and Johnson.

It was not what they'd plabpnned at all.

I remember that comment by Gove's wife well.

the op came along to be PM and was only scuppered when Gove switched sides

That was another public school boy game.

If BJ had wanted to be PM nothing would have stopped him after the referendum.

The fact is, he knew then, as he does now, it's a poison chalice so he made up some ridiculous ploy to get out of the running.

It astounds me that people don't see through this.

Curious that Cameron and Johnson are allegedly of the Same Stock, yet Cameron (we'll take it as read that he's a useless twat) was a true Remainer.

I had the pleasure chance of hearing him give a "Cameron Direct" (one of the ones which didn't make it onto the Tory Party website ...). Front row seat too. He gave a heartfelt defence of the EU and being in it, despite quite a negative crowd. He was also quite clued up on the industrial heritage of the Midlands. But he pointed out that the huge wealth Britain enjoyed historical came not from making things, but trading things. Across the globe.

Recently, I wanted some pipettes. Obviously immediately onto Amazon, ordered 3 for £4.80 (including P&P). They were shipped straight from China and with me 8 days later. The shipping label put their value at £1.20 (so £3.60 shipping ?).

Sorry, but there is no way on Gods Green Earth anywhere in the UK could match that. Not even worth trying. Even the most fervent Brexiteer is not going to start paying £2, £3 each for something like that just to keep someone in a job in Britain.

Meanwhile, let's talk hospital beds. Not the NHS, but the actual hospital beds they use. WTF are they made in the US, when the Midlands is supposed to be the centre of Britains engineering and manufacturing ? They are well made, admittedly. (As an awful lot of US kit is). But why ?

This isn't the world of 1972 anymore.

Considering the closeness of the opinion polls leading up to the vote, with remain never more than a % pt or 2 in front and well within the margin for error, only a complete an utter idiot would have whole heartedly campaigned to leave, whilst planning not to win!

so, considering its Boris we are talking about, perhaps you re right lol!

Exactly jas 😂

I know, my issue with them is this, I can see sound reasons to remain, yes people on this thread simply cannot concede that any leave vote had a point

No you cant, as far as i'm aware you ve never come out with any reason to leave, other than the usual stuff on taking back control empire and Spitfires etc.
There are reasons to leave, all arguments have two sides, the biggest one i can see is UK might start training their own workers - however, i suspect employers will use the situation to push down further on workers rights, working conditions and pay.
Lack of unskilled workers will lead to more automation, esp in Agri, wages will not rise as this will push up inflation/prices for us all.

As the EU had very little say in how we governed ourselves, we ll notice little change, i guess Politicians wont be able to blame the EU, then again, i feel sure they ll find away.
However, Scott Mann, my local MP did say that leaving the EU will give us a chance to reset housing policy... what tosh is that? the EU isnt stopping us from doing that right now, more brexshit bollocks

So if, like surfer you voted to end FOM, what are your thoughts on today's white paper in which it's revealed not much is going to change?

Still think it's all worth it?

Surfer is very quiet.

"I voted to end FOM"

Loser

WTF is Trump talking about?

The Sun story wasn't fake news as they released the tapes of him saying what was reported!

It just goes to show it doesn't matter what he says about trade now, he'll just do what he chooses at the time.

bear no idea what Trump said, I am having difficulty trying to keep up this week!!

Just looking at some pictures of the Trump protest marches and the estimated numbers attending.

Could it be there will be more people marching against Trump than were on the anti-Brexit march in June. Bizarre