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Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

Was the Joe Dolce comment to me 54321 ? I didn't get as far a field as Vienna

Double I’m not a fan of Corbyn, and I agree that he wouldn’t be particularly effective in business, but at least he’s not an egregious, self-serving and incompetent charlatan.

Corbyn isn't in Government, (although the way he's been voting maybe he thinks he is?)

@Frumpety not 'at' you no, but as you had mentioned tunes again my slightly (?) off the wall braincell came up with Joe Dolce so I wrote it down. There is some inner strength in levity in the face of overwhelming odds.

I asked our local Labour candidate the other day what the difference was between his pitch and our local ERG Tory MP's. All he could say was "renationalising the railways." I pointed out to him that there are Tory MPs talking about renationalising Airbus as punishment for criticising the government's hard Brexit position, so really what the difference?

You can't nationalise Airbus, as it belongs to other countries too.

Renationalising the railways is relatively easy, you wait till the contract for a franchise is up and then take it back in house.

Which is why all the right wing media got the predictions of costs utterly wrong, actually renationalising railways means 0 compensation for the operators as there is no guarantee of the franchise continuing.

Attempting to nationalise Airbus is far more difficult and costly.

Of course Airbus can't be renationalised because it belongs to other countries. But philosophically, the Tories are taking Labour's playbook on renationalisation (and the public doesn't know or care enough to know what's crap and what isn't), and Labour is in bed with the Tories over Brexit. Both are pro-authoritarian. Neither is a voting option for me.

renationalising railways means 0 compensation for the operators as there is no guarantee of the franchise continuing.

Bear in mind Virgin are suing the government (they may have won) over exactly that: not being awarded a contract they bid on.

"Bear in mind Virgin are suing the government (they may have won) over exactly that: not being awarded a contract they bid on."

If there is no bidding process their can't be action.

The operators can't even charge for rolling stock because they were subsidized at purchase.

I am wondering if we are going to have to leave the EU in 2 phases. Once with this parliament and then once in the next parliament. It does seem stupid but Remoaners are intent in destroying the UK as we leave.

How are the remoaners destroying the UK ? The Brexiteers are the ones in charge at the moment fangirl

This is what you voted for , remember ? Or did you vote for something entirely different to what is occurring now but wasn't mentioned on the ballot paper ?

It is Leavers who need to 'own' Brexit, they voted for it and 'WON' as we are all told. The leavers with plenty of money will leave, as in taking their money and putting it 'abroad' in low tax accounts. The 'Joe public' leavers (and everyone else) will be left standing in a mess the magnitude of which is yet to be seen.

Quite, it's the Leavers who wanted Brexit, it's up to them to take the lead, instead of blaming
"Remoaners". Why, you couldn't even get a Leave MP elected to lead the Tory party.

Over to you Leavers. We want to hear your plans. N Ireland, Gibraltar, replacement for Just In Time systems for the aeronautics, automotive and many other systems. Or let's give you som easy tasks: you could start with the leading Leavers (Brexshitters) and write to Redwood and ask him why he doesn't recommend putting money into the UK right now. Or write to Rees-Mogg and ask why he is setting up a Dublin office. Where is his faith in the UK?

It does seem stupid but Remoaners are intent in destroying the UK as we leave.

It's pathetic that Leavers haven't moved on from emotive sound bites like this.

How exactly are 'Remoaners' destroying the UK?

It's you lot that doesn't have a plan which involves anything other than 'cake and eat it'

Sadly you are never going to accept that it is your decision which is causing the destruction.

Any drop in the level of benefits we had is entirely down to you.

Likewise, you can claim credit for any improvements we see, however, they're not exactly forthcoming are they?

Still, you can always cite your beloved 'sovereignity' despite the fact it means nothing in reality.

"It does seem stupid but Remoaners are intent in destroying the UK as we leave."

No leave voters did that.

Voting to leave for sovereignty and democracy, whilst at the same time objecting to British Parliamentary representative democracy and calling any opposition traitors.

You voted for a myth, an unachievable uncatchable will o the wisp.

You won, get over it, own your victory and the consequences.

Sovereignty was never under threat at all, and democracy in terms of it affecting most people was also not being taken away. There were 'negotiations' obviously in an attempt to harmonise some aspects with others within the EU but we had the opportunity to question and alter the course of discussions.
The UK COULD do like N Korea and scrap all welfare and spend half the total budget on the armed forces. While the EU would strongly criticise this and there are probably some rules that would have to be followed, the UK economy could be far more heavily skewed that way than it is. The 'fate' of the UK is down to it's own government.

I know it was never under threat, but the claim was always that it was democracy and sovereignty, rather than the bus, or immigration which won the vote.

It wasn't, and that argument has been nullified by the behavior of brexit supporters since.

This is absolutely true topcat. Leavers here constantly assure us it wasn't about immigration, and then a new Leaver bobs up, one who hasn't read the script, and says that we voted because immigrants were clogging up the NHS or taking school places. Whoops. Happens almost every time.

"immigrants were clogging up the NHS or taking school places."

Yet when you can prove that wrong you are shouted at.

Kicks tumbleweed to one side and shimmies in with some earworm

Just casually looking at the 'advert' for Annabel's indian recipe. I find the placement of the 'play' arrow unfortunate as it reads (at a glance) Butt Chicken. I am not certain I want chicken butt with yellow rice.

54321 ah but when food supplies run low , then chicken butt may well be seen as a treat

Two aviation questions to all:

1. if we crash out without any deal of any kind, can planes fly without aviation treaties?

2. if we leave with a delay with the EU only, can planes fly without aviation treaties with the US and other non EU countries?

@Sacre
On the Wesministenders thread this has been covered several times and in summary until new certification is obtained for airports, aeroplanes, ports and ships they would be 'grounded' from the morning of actual Brexit (30 March). No certification, will lead to no insurance.
Pilots and ships captains would also need recertification.