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Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

The best way to conceptualise this is as follows:-

I think the contraceptive pill should work in reverse

I.e., I don't think you should take it to prevent falling pregnant, I think you should take in in order to do so.

It would make life a lot more simple.

If there were a vote on this though, I'd research whether the technologoby actually existed for my wishes to become a reality.

Sadly Leavers didn't bother their arses doing do, they just clung on to the arrogant assumption that anything is possible because they want it to be so.

Hi Bear, I'd vote for that!
Can you sort out supplies for next week?

Sadly Leavers didn't bother their arses doing do, they just clung on to the arrogant assumption that anything is possible because they want it to be so

Here we have to depart..... the electorate have to assume there are checks and balances in the voting process, so if claims are made, go unchallenged, then its not unreasonable to believe them and cast your vote accordingly, many leavers had little stake in society and after 40 plus years in the EU, took a look around them and said what has the EU ever done for us? and they ve point.

But back to the vote, our leaders choose not to put in such safe guards and we are left with this mess, the blame is with the Government, we elect them to lead not to follow some focus group or opinion poll.

bear, you talk about this as if we were offered a referendum on whether the sky could be coloured pink by Mr Blobby & Batman.
Wtf are you on?

We were offered a vote on whether we wanted to leave the EU or not, by the prime minister of the United Kingdom.
Something he promised he’d do in his parties manifesto. Leave voters didn’t magic this all up themselves just because ‘they wanted it’

I don't disagree that we should never have been offered this choice.

I'm just not so blinkered that I can't see through the fact it was never an actual choice, it was a political game.

surfer you've admitted that despite your hopes TM can't deliver what she promised, why can't you see that is no different for Brexit.

I’m not overly happy with TM no, but I’m still optimistic about Brexit and have never once regretted my vote, neither has anyone else I know who voted leave.

Anyway, I need to sleep, work in the morning 🤮

With the inability of the UK negotiators at the EU to get some deals that Mr Cameron wanted he had a go at 'Russian Roulette' or 'who dares wins' by calling for a vote on leaving the EU. It was never a well thought out plan and he hadn't contemplated or planned for losing.
He resigned and disappeared with his family's fortune to leave the carnage he created behind him. Wild, largely unsubstantiated claims by all were made before the vote, largely ignoring the fact that after 40 or more years of getting fully intertwined with the EU it would take a LOT of negotiation to get out. Had the run up to the vote consisted of researched and properly presented discussions, rather than crazy 'soundbites' and actually explained WHICH EU things would be lost, then things would be so different, and the pound in your pocket would have gone further than it will now. Immigration and funding the NHS are nothing to do with the EU, nor were many of the other 'manifesto' claims.
The UK has been 'sold a pup'.

so if claims are made, go unchallenged, then its not unreasonable to believe them and cast your vote accordingly,

Actually the ONS told the Leave campaign repeatedly that the £360 million figure was misleading and to stop using it. Vote Leave ignored and kept using it. Problem is the checks and balances have no teeth. It should be a criminal offence to mislead or lie to the public during a political campaign. I still don't know how Davis Davis completely got away with telling blatant lies to the public (and Parliament?) about the 57 impact reports. No punishment whatsoever for that.

The general population have no idea who the ONS is, let alone what they might have said about either sides claims.
Its the headlines of the paper kicking around in the workplace they are reading.

But yes lying to the public seems to be perfectly ok in our political system.

There are many problems with all these numbers that get bandied about during elections. To the 'person in the street' £360M looks a lot. How much of the NHS budget does it represent?
The government of any country can prioritise what it spends money on.
By saying it could go to the NHS, a sector that is badly underfunded is playing to the public who are waiting to see doctors etc. There are piles of money going on 'vanity projects' (HS2, Trident replacement, aircraft carriers that the populace don't NEED) which could sort the NHS out FINANCIALLY almost instantly. A simplified 'balance sheet' such as you get from your local council, explaining where money comes from and goes to would make a reasoned choice much better.
The average Mr or Ms public will handle something like £1 Million over their lifetime so the numbers that the gov throw out look big to impress, without showing the percentage of the current spend.

The average Mr or Ms public will handle something like £1 Million over their lifetime so the numbers that the gov throw out look big to impress, without showing the percentage of the current spend.

Agreed.

Most people (however they voted!) have, compared to the sums involved in running a country, an effective level of numeracy like "One... two... three... many... ... lots..." like Terry Pratchett's trolls

Although not to do with Brexit, I get really annoyed by changing the way things are expressed in 'reports'.
'4 out of five voters said they want this'....then later in the sentence, 32 percent wanted that...
Use fractions OR percents, don't mix them up in the same sentence!
I can only presume they do this to break your concentration to mask the fact that what they are saying is not actually true.

And another thing...
The Gov (or whoever) will spend £6 Million over 5 years to do (this project).
Emphasising the nice big £6 Million headline figure but when inflation is taken into account, and all other loses, a significant amount of that £6 Million is worth considerably less.
M* angry, somewhere in Europe

The Gov (or whoever) will spend £6 Million over 5 years to do (this project).

added to the fact that the same figure gets recast several times to give the impression of a much larger sum over several headlines.

And that's before we get into the little trick of announcing an increase in spending, but not announcing that it's actually coming from next years budget, so is in reality a cut. Remember the increase in police pay ? Which was actually a reduction in police budgets elsewhere ?

Always pleased when a minister resigns over a matter of principal... whatever the issue.
www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/minister-resigns-to-fight-for-meaningful-vote-on-brexit-1-4752992

What exactly is wrong with having Parliament decide on final deal? The EU 27 will have their final say and the whole brexit saga was about Parliamentary sovereignty

Does anyone else view the occasional Brexit related threads popping up elsewhere as entertainment ? I seemed to have lapsed into a laze faire attitude to them ?

Leave arguments just remind me of the first time I ran away from home , maximum drama, tears and door slamming, but once I had slammed that door shut I ended up no further than the front fence where I sat for a few minutes thinking 'they will be sorr.y' . They weren't though.

It's more intellectual than Love Island.

Tbh I haven’t a clue what’s going on with Brexit anymore.
But some of the threads popping up in AIBU have some pretty hardcore brexiteers on them, they make me look like a remainer!

Wash your mouth out with Gin Surfer

I was toying with the idea that the EU should just totally ignore the UK for something like a week. No imports or exports. No ferries, air traffic control refuse to 'direct' UK airline destinations.
At the end of a week we can then see if the EU is relevant to the UK or not.
Inspired by Frumpety's second recent post.

Having never had the pleasure of Love Island I will have to go with your opinion

Did someone mention gin?

Brilliant! we could have a 'preparing for Brexit' week , give the population a couple of days notice so they can clear the shelves and sit in a long line for several hours for petrol and post on facebook about being devastated that their frock didn't arrive from China on time

Surfer I have been quietly stock piling Gin , and pulses and beans, a double whammy of the foodstuffs being that they both nourish the body and heat the bedroom at night