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Since BrexitArmsLandlady says she isn't starting anymore threads here's a place to discuss Brexit developments for those that still want to.

It never ceases to amaze me what a shambles this is.

The cabinet still can't even agree what we want, let alone what we're going to get.

Oh and toilet rolls , no one wants to be in a no loo roll situation for longer than the kitchen roll teared into strips lasts

I don't have a TV so I have no idea really except from comments. It seems to be semi clad 'yoof and booty' whinging about things.
Jobs are being lost already and Brexit hasn't started yet.
Have any really good verifiable advantages of leaving been mentioned on the AIBU threads yet? Immigration and Sovereignty are not EU issues as both are controlled by Westminster and always have been.

Teared = torn , sheesh < squints at diminishing Gin stockpile>

No, in my plan the EU wouldn't tell you when it was going to happen in the same way the UK government isn't saying when or how Brexit will happen.
Before saying my idea is silly, just think a moment about what the UK government is doing (or not doing) right now with your future.

It would be fairly easy to orchestrate, strikes and blockades at a few key points would soon cause chaos and if not resolved in 48 hours would result in serious hardship for those reliant on just in time stock movement.

Fairly easy in the sense that Europe are looking at the UK and uttering 'Daft bastards' whilst looking like this …..

Just out of curiosity are strikes covered on peoples travel insurance ? Or Brexit for that matter , would that count as civil unrest or some such ? Might be worth a quick scan of any small print.

The French are renowned for summertime air traffic control strikes so could be 'unrest as usual' on that front. Most of the ferries are French owned or at least French crew.
Saying that, French rail drivers have been on strike for 3 months (a couple of days at a time) and as was reported on the BBC a few weeks ago due to social media people work around them so not as devastating as it used to be years ago. Probably a bit like normal UK train services now really.

I very much doubt the EU want the UK to leave but there is no reason why they should bend over backwards to 'help' a country that already had/has loads of opt outs and who never really want to join in completely.
There was a post on another thread commenting that some 'eastern' EU countries seem happy to flout various EU regulations (H&S and whatever). It is down to individual countries to 'police' the regulations that are set so maybe if the UK had been a touch more 'lenient' about enforcing things it had signed up to, there would be a touch less negativity about the EU.

I think discussing leniency of H&S regulations on the anniversary of Grenfell is interesting. A whole other debate right there.

I think the EU has been demonised for so long and for so many things, that I am not sure a touch less negativity would have had any significant effect.

The 'insular' and 'entitled' views taken by too many British who have never been out of the country is probably significant.
If you travel to Europe you see other nations interacting in a practical way, on a day to day basis.
Traveling from Belgium to Holland I had to fuel the car near the border on the Dutch side. As I got out to pay I suddenly felt awkward as I speak neither of the Belgian languages or Dutch. On seeing my UK bank card coming up on screen the cashier spoke immediately in English even though I had not spoken and was driving a French car.
The people of Europe are not 'against' the UK but may well be irritated by the 'entitled' attitude. The EU is overrblown but as a 'clearing house' trying to advance the lives of 27/28 often quite different cultures in many languages it does a pretty good job.
The UK is seeing some of the gross stupidity that it's government can come up with, now try working with 27 more countries governments all with similar antics at the same time. That is a practically a whole school class where every child speaks a different language with different backgrounds.
Ignorance of what the EU does and is trying to achieve is not a reason to attack it, especially as many of it's aims help UK citizens on a daily basis even though it is not immediately obvious.

H&S in relation to Grenfell was totally coincidental.
H&S in the UK is probably one of the higher levels but in Grenfell's case it is failure to apply some measures and the use of inappropriate materials which should be a prison sentence for some.

I mentioned Grenfell because H&S had been mentioned on another thread and with it being the anniversary of the fire. The investigation continues.
The thing that intrigues me about H&S apologists is that they seem to have remarkably short memories , look at mining or construction, ordinary people fought long and hard for decent standards of safety in these areas, people died or were badly injured before these standards were introduced, people were blacklisted fighting for these standards. In many other countries around the world, people are still fighting for the self same things.

TM pulls off another victory. One day at a time closer to Brexit. Remainers are furious lol.

Any word of the compromise deal that May had to use to get her party to toe the line on this vote ?

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I think you’ll have to ( finally) accept Brexit is happening

I think the definition of “victory” needs to be reconsidered.

accept Brexit is happening

I agree and have always believed it would. I think we are facing a hard cliff edge Brexit as well. It will be catastrophic for the UK. I hope you're all fit and healthy enough to cope.

I think the point of the victory for the government yesterday is that they can now go into negotiations with the EU with a 'leave without a deal' back stop position. Now we are in a position to get a much better deal as we can negotiate much harder.

Leaving without a deal will hurt the UK far more than the EU so I don’t see how it can be perceived as giving the UK a strong hand.

This threat of leaving without a deal is equivalent to saying if you don't give us what we want we'll shoot ourselves in the face and you'll get blood on your nice clothes.

🥂 another step closer!

The point of being able to walk away really does give us a much stronger hand in that we will not have to just 'settle' for what ever the EU offer us. I know it will hit us harder than the EU but they really don't want that to happen so are more likely to give concessions to avoid it.

If they know it will hit the UK harder they have no reason to make concessions have they?

But Ghost they should know we are prepared to do it. They are more interested in the affects this all has to their own businesses not how it affects us. They have to know we will do this if they don't give us concessions and that it will affect them. We have to talk tough.