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Ever closer to Brexit! 🥂 🍻 🍾

Remainers are welcome, as ever.

But!

If you just want to abuse Brexiteers, then start your own thread.

This is a pub thread, not an interrogate-a-Brexiteer thread

We have more in common etc, even if Brexit divides us.

"I’m a Tory, but if they weasel out of the hardest possible Brexit I won’t vote for them again. They also know that. That’s why we won’t stay in the cu and sm"

So we won't stay in the CU and SM because you won't vote Tory if they do. That's a hell of a loud vote you have there.

And what precisely attracts you about "the hardest possible Brexit"? This could be the "benefits of Brexit" answer we've all been waiting for.

I won’t be blackmailed by the eu or the bloody ira come to that.

You do have a very high opinion of what your wishes can achieve don’t you hey?

So we’ll just beak and international treaty on your say so because you won’t be blackmailed.

I’m sure TM will be greatly comforted by that.

I’m sick of all this bravado bollocks.

Instead of just going round roaring about how great we are and how we don’t be bullied, we should try and find solutions that might actually work.

We won’t because that means being seen to compromise which the government thinks looks weak, which is more than a little ironic as it just results in us just being told ‘No’ in the end.

Staying in the CU and SM is the only current viable option.

I’m a Tory, but if they weasel out of the hardest possible Brexit I won’t vote for them again. They also know that. That’s why we won’t stay in the cu and sm

The Conservatives also realise that the hardest possible Brexit will cause serious damage to the UK economy and that by doing so they will lose their mainstream core vote, who regardless of their actions so far , still believe that the Tories are the party for business and economic stability.

I do not believe that their voters will accept 'it was the will of the people' as an excuse when it all goes tits up , the age of personal responsibility long since passed

As has been pointed out about a gazillion times over the months since the referendum, the referendum question didn't include a timescale. As someone who voted remain and I still believe remaining is the best current option socioeconomically for the whole of the UK. However that does not mean that I cannot see that in the future , with time and some sincere effort, there is the possibility of the UK leaving the EU in a planned and orderly fashion.

In the meantime remaining in the CU and SM is the only current viable option.

Craven fool?

Are you actually British or is your sell out to the eu that complete? The bottom line is that Brexit will not be stopped through the blackmail of Ireland or anyone else.

Farage was making the point that the end of world war 2 was a point of marked national decline for Britain due to the sheer cost of victory. That is a perfectly rational historical analysis

That is a perfectly rational historical analysis

Have to go to work now , anyone else care to answer this ? once they have stopped laughing

Can't resist it sorry , bless Nige and his German children

Really must skedaddle , a very much underused word don't you think ?

Frumpety - please explain why what I have said is so funny?

Or did you not learn your history at school?

I think Heyduggle should look up which country got the most Marshall Aid and what they did with it.

Clue: it wasn't either Germany or France, who used the Marshall Aid they were given for its proper purpose, which was to re-build infrastructure.

Linky for Double.

When you think about it, Britain’s misuse of the Marshall Plan aid has quite a lot of parallels with Brexit - ie the belief that Britain was a major world power, heart of the Commonwealth, and could use the money to rebuild an empire.

Pretty bird

Look up the amount of debt extended to Britain by the USA - it took us 50 years to repay if I recall

That is different to Marshall aid which was aimed at continental europe

Why if you think it's a cu/am roll over are all the bank's leaking hard exit plans....
Also that the EU at putting through new guidelines?
Could it for just in case?

• so why not are

Marshall Aid was aimed at all the countries in Europe that had been combatants. The UK got by far the largest proportion of it: c26% of the total, compared to 18% to France and 11% to Germany.

The reason we don't hear about it (and some think that it was only given to continental Europe ) is that the UK squandered it on trying to retain its empire, while Germany and France used it for its intended purpose, which was to rebuild their infrastructure and economies, with proper 4 year plans.

This is quite a good summary
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/modern/marshall_01.shtml

I'm not surprised that some people are ignorant of this and think it was only given to continental Europe - it's not exactly well publicised.

The UK finally paid off the Marshall Plan, Lend-Lease and Mutual Aid loans in 2006.

The UK got more of the total Marshall Plan funding (26%) than France (18%) or West Germany (11%).

mummmy have you been on the sauce already? That post made no sense at all!

I have seen 10 prepare for hard exit reports in last 3 days... all from German banks......But according to you it can't happen.... Even the EU have been making plans.... But your never going to see that as you don't want to acknowledge it could happen...

It a similar position to what happened with all the North Sea Oil money. The UK pissed it up the wall with tax cuts, and Norway put it into a fund which is doing very well for it still.

The EU are making plans for all eventualities because they are actually taking this seriously. We are just blustering.

Don't Scotland get more spending per head per year than the UK..... So yes where did they spend their oil money.

Ignoring your confusion about Scotland and the UK, the Barnett formula (which also applies to the other devolved governments) has nothing to do with North Sea oil revenue, which was exclusively controlled by the Treasury. In fact, the UK has consistently failed to tax UKCS companies in an effective way - unlike Norway.

Do you really think that works...... ignoring.
People accept Scotland gets more due to the oil.....
And boy have they over spent......
Who is to Blaim ....after all they are devolved........

Funny thing is: the Scottish Government has never overspent its budget - it's not allowed to.