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Ever closer to Brexit! 🥂 🍻 🍾

Remainers are welcome, as ever.

But!

If you just want to abuse Brexiteers, then start your own thread.

This is a pub thread, not an interrogate-a-Brexiteer thread

We have more in common etc, even if Brexit divides us.

And the above illustrates why Brexit won't happen. Some day very soon, all those people who are teetering on the brink politically, will either be shoved off into the precipice or have to shuffle further back onto the cliff edge on to to firmer ( centrist) ground.

But the fact Spain now has veto to block with regard to Gibraltar and Ireland on GFA means they may leave TM with no choice to but reject

What do you mean Spain and Ireland 'now' have a veto?

They always did. Nothing has changed except Leavers are having to wake up to a few realities.

Not even TM will pull the trigger on no deal although I'm actually wishing she would now.

Seeing first hand what an epic cluster fuck it would result in is the only way Leavers are going to see what they've caused.

As it is, we'll end up with a much worse deal than we have now and Leavers will bleat about the nasty EU forevermore.

Just to get this right. As an equal member of the EU, the UK shouldn't have had to entertain an equal say of each of the other 27 countries. It was being told what to do if anyone else had an equal say.

Now that the UK is leaving, the EU 27 needs to do what the UK (which will be a third country) tells them to do. In other words, do what an outside country tells them to do. How they should get rid of or bend their rules to indulge that outside country. Or else they are making things hard for the UK. Something they are choosing to do themselves. Hmm.

I have a teenager. This sort of take on things feels familiar.

I have a teenager. This sort of take on things feels familiar.

I have two teenagers, and think you are being very unfair here.

(To teenagers).

Look at all these super new jobs Brexit is creating!

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/cost-of-brexit-what-whitehall-spending-insight-final-vb_1.pdf

So Brexit is creating thousands of new unelected bureaucrats.

I thought that lots of unelected bureaucrats telling us what to do is a bad thing?

The latest edition of the Economist landed on my desk this morning and there were more government trade jobs on offer at salaries of £120k pa.

Unelected bureaucrats who make decisions on policy on our behalf is what we don't want.
Jobs for civil servants is quite different.

Can you explain the difference between an "unelected bureaucrat" and a "civil servant"?

The EU’s standard decision-making procedure is known as 'Ordinary Legislative Procedure’ (ex "codecision"). This means that the directly elected European Parliament has to approve EU legislation together with the Council (the governments of the 28 EU countries).

Just incase anyone thinks decisions are made by the unelected

Has a nice graphic for the EU decision making process here:

www.europarl.europa.eu/external/html/legislativeprocedure/default_en.htm

So we have debunked the 'unelected bureaucrat' nonsense, we have agreed that taking back control means losing any control we ever had, immigration, how many leavers on here are happy with the way the Windrush generation are being treated by the current Government ?

, might go back to posting animals in need of loving homes , not sure I covered reptiles last time I did it ?

Be careful what you vote for...

It's a great cause, but I thought we were trying to stop sending money to other countries. This will drive the quitters complaining about the overseas budget insane!

Frumpety, Leavers do not respond to factual evidence. They do not base their decisions on evidence.

How much is too much?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/18/each-brexit-scenario-will-leave-britain-worse-off-study-finds

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About the blue passports ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43807190

De La Rue has abandoned its plan to appeal against the government's decision to award a contract to make UK passports to a Franco-Dutch company.

The UK firm said that since its announcement on 22 March, it had "considered all options".

De La Rue also issued its second profit warning in less than a month, saying income will be around £60m to £65m.

It blamed £4m in costs for tendering to continue making UK passports, as well as delays in other contracts.

(contd)

Seem to remember that De La Rue got the original contract in 2009 in rather murky circumstances:

Doubts raised as to whether award of contract influenced by government employee linked to winning company.

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/5700165/Failed-bidder-questions-De-La-Rue-biometric-passport-contract.html

What goes around ...

The Hull piece is interesting ... it's explicit that it's Brexit causing the problem. No hinting, or finding other reasons.

If that starts to be the narrative across the board, then the genuine non-trollbot leavers are going to have their work cut out trying to pop up everywhere to give the impression it was a 95/5 split.

"We have been running a recruitment campaign in the Philippines but there are currently real difficulties in getting visas through."

Hostile environment DG . The UK is getting quite a reputation as somewhere that isn't welcoming to those who want to live and work here if they were not born here.