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Westminstenders: Why didn't you whistle whilst you worked?

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RedToothBrush · 26/03/2018 18:33

After over a year in the public dominion, SUDDENLY the mainstream media have picked up the story on breeches by the Leave campaigns over election rules. This comes off the back of the Cambridge Analytic scandal with Facebook data having been stolen and their offices (finally) being raided.

This has now led to the involvement of solicitors Bindmans (who were involved with the Gina Miller case and are associated with prominent Remain Jolyon Maugam) and have released a 53 page document they say is evidence of collaboration between Vote Leave and BeLeave campaigns. They state effectively that there is no 'smoking gun' rather a 'drip drip drip' effect of cumulative information (as Sam Coates succinctly sums up).

What difference does this make?

Both the Electoral Commission and the ICO have very little power and in law there doesn't appear to technically be any recourse. This needs to be addressed now as an extreme priority.

The prospect of another referendum being run in such circumstances, is alarming. Without an inquiry into what went wrong, how could you prevent any of this from happening again? There would also be feelings of some kind of establishment stitch-up to reverse the referendum, which could have major implications for trust in democracy in its own right.

There seems to be no easy answer here. And Brexit increasingly looks to be the turkey that was feared, though not exactly in the way the deeply flawed remain campaign made out.

Noises from the disgruntled Vote Leave director Dominic Cummings read like almost a threat to go after the EHCR which is just as poorly understood as the EU. And there is every reason to believe that Lexiter types would also be supportive if that meant they could take property from private ownership and put into state ownership without having to properly compensate.

Worth noting is that Cummings originally deleted his twitter account when this first started to surface. A least one of the whistleblowers was and still is a committed Leaver. Cummings seems rattled, but Cummings was previously on record as saying he wanted to destroy our existing establishment. He's not rattled about the damage to democracy nor I suspect even leaving the EU; he's rattled at prospect of being 'caught'. Make of that what you will.

With that in mind, shouldn't we be the mildest bit cautious about the intentions of Chris Wylie when he says we should have another referendum? Should we be cynical, rather than just accepting this as being great news and getting excited about an opportunity to reverse Brexit? Worst still our failure to be able to trust anything, in itself, is a sign of just how weak our democracy has become.

Are the efforts to dig up a story which should have been dealt with twelve months ago, going to help? Could they cause more damage and further risk our now seemingly ever fragile democracy?

I don't know. Impossible to tell. As Westministenders has said from very early on, the referendum wasn't just about leaving the EU but also a turning of backs on the concepts and principles of democracy. Only now is this really beginning to show its true ugliness to the masses. Even now, few see the real dangers here. Many are so blinded by the hatred of their political 'enemies' they turn a blind eye to their own side's zealotry and dogma.

The danger from the far right was always much more clear to see, but the danger from the far left as it grows bolder is also starting to be alarming.

If you think this is merely about leaving the EU, you are wrong. Even if we do stay in the EU after everything, we may still lose what it is to be a real functioning democracy.

Unless we promote these principles and involve all in society and give them a stake in the future; either inside or outside the EU we will be in a whole world more trouble.

And if that wasn't bad enough. Russian spies and murders plus the appointment of warmonger Bolton at the Whitehouse.

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BigChocFrenzy · 30/03/2018 19:31

The plane ran over his foot Shock
Not surprising he had a "serious lower limb injury"
Poor bugger will be lucky to keep that lower limb

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 19:38

It will be interesting to see if pictures of Wednesday's incident or pictures of Russian diplomats leaving DC this afternoon (which are being reported by ABC7 DC currently) are used in a report about this Russian plane searching.

This is the ABC7 DC coverage:
twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/979770946121818112

This is a photo from Wednesday of the plane running over incident:
twitter.com/eringeraghty/status/979055700633640962

I find it interesting that the BBC and Times reporters on this are both Russian based. Silence in the UK media. Total silence. Like not even a hint of a rumour apart from the Times and BBC Russian reporters. Every account tweeting about it, looks either dodgy or crazy

The Russians seem to be claiming its customs rather than the police wanting to search the plane.

Thing is...

The 17:15 SU2583 Aeroflot flight from Heathrow, seems to be having quite a long delay....
(Please someone else go and check this on Heathrow's departure board. I am not going barking!)

Confused.

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VivaKondo · 30/03/2018 19:39

But how can you have a plane running over your foot?
I mean, the plane can’t have moved fast because of where it was. So why has the guy not simply moved away???

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 19:39

In fact the Heathrow departures board just updated to 'gate closing'.

Please will someone verify I'm not a nut job!

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BigChocFrenzy · 30/03/2018 19:41

Antisemitism matters: Jews are the canary in the coalmine

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/30/antisemitism-jews-canary-coalmine-fake-news

For the antisemites exposed within Labour
– and monitoring groups reckon they have documented racist posts by at least 1,000 party members,
forwarding formal complaints about many of them – have not wandered into the wrong party by mistake.

They’re not BNP-types who misread the sign on the door.
On the contrary, their racism is a warped deformation of their leftism.

Remember, antisemitism differs from other racisms in its belief that Jews are the secret masters of the universe, pulling the strings that shape world events – and always for the sake of evil.

(Witness the former Labour mayor of Blackburn who suggested Israel was behind the Sandy Hook school massacre.) Shock

Once you swallow that canard and see the Jews as the wielders of clandestine, malign power,
why, then it becomes your duty as a good leftist to fight the Jews.

This is why August Bebel called antisemitism “the socialism of fools” more than a century ago
– and the Tower Hamlets mural illustrates that doctrine perfectly.

Less tangibly, it’s the cast of mind, the way of thinking, that antisemitism represents that we should fear.
Conspiracy theory, fake news, demonisation of an unpopular group:
what happens to our politics if all these become the norm?

This is why Jews have often functioned as a canary in the coalmine:
when a society turns on its Jews, it is usually a sign of wider ill health.

Put another way, hasn’t history shown us that racism never stays confined to mere “pockets”?
Once the virus is inside, it does not rest until it has infected the entire body.

VivaKondo · 30/03/2018 19:43

Btw rrtb you’re not going crazy.
The flight was supposed to arrive at 10.55pm in Moscow and is now planned for 1.05am.
2 hours late.

BigChocFrenzy · 30/03/2018 19:44

viva I assume the plane moved when it shouldn't have - they are always required to be stationary bedore the ground crew move in
So the victim may have been right next to the wheel, not expecting it to move

Of course the question is how this happened?
A really bad pilot error, a complete misunderstanding, or even the plane suddenly trying to get away from something ?

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 19:48

In either scenario (a disinformation or a real incident) this is not a good turn of events.

It DOES look like a disinformation campaign, purely because of who is tweeting about it, and where the story seems to be coming from. Barely any tweets from UK based accounts. It looks like its taking advantage of a plane being delayed for completely normal reasons.

The incident on Wednesday did not go unnoticed by people actually at Heathrow. It seems unlikely that would be the case tonight.
Frighteningly easy to see how it could seem real though.

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RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 19:58

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/aeroflot-plane-moscow-being-searched-12280440
'Aeroflot plane from Moscow being searched by police at Heathrow Airport' - but Met completely denies it
Russia claims UK cops inspected the cabin of an Aeroflot Airbus A321 passenger liner after it touched down at the London-based airport this afternoon

Full story which confirms I still have sanity.

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mrsreynolds · 30/03/2018 20:51

Well.

It might be the lindt talking but...is it just me...is all this starting to sound like an implausibly ridiculous 80s Steven Segal movie?

🤔😣🍫

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 21:03

No we are not living in a Steve Segal movie.

Its similar to Steve Segal's real life!

Steven Segal got fat, has lots of rumours about his behaviour about women circling around him (domestic abuse and sexual harassment). So he moved to Moscow and revoked his US citizenship. He now goes on US TV to do interviews and spread Russian propaganda.

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mrsreynolds · 30/03/2018 21:04

Wwhhhaaaaaaaattttt???

RedToothBrush · 30/03/2018 21:06

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seagal

Westminstenders: Why didn't you whistle whilst you worked?
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Dobby1sAFreeElf · 30/03/2018 21:08

for mrsR

Westminstenders: Why didn't you whistle whilst you worked?
mrsreynolds · 30/03/2018 21:22

I see...

I dont understand anything anymore 😮😣

Life is scary and I've run out of lindt

lonelyplanetmum · 30/03/2018 21:50

This is all doing my head in.There is no chocolate for me in the house. I can't drink alcohol, because I need to drive to collect eldest DD later on.

Actually just thought there is chocolate in the house.Youngest DD's Easter eggs ready for Sunday, but that would be wrong.

Cailleach1 · 30/03/2018 21:52

Unless you replace it tomorrow. And dispose of the wrapping carefully.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 30/03/2018 21:58

My DF used to carefully unwrap our easter eggs and eat them from the back so they looked untouched. Was always quick at smashing them up so it wasn't until he was caught red handed that we realised. Not that I'm giving you that as a tip Wink

lonelyplanetmum · 30/03/2018 22:20

So I can raid the Easter eggs, or perhaps I'll just wake up tomorrow and (Bobby Ewing style) find it's all a dream.

borntobequiet · 30/03/2018 22:27

I took advice from another thread and have been watching dinnerladies on YouTube. Now going to bed, at least still sane.

mrsreynolds · 30/03/2018 22:32

"Now then love, have you seen my Clint?"...
🤣🤣
RIP the great Victoria wood

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 30/03/2018 22:43

I lack the vim and vigour to copy this all across but

Sam Coates Times
@SamCoatesTimes
Tonight as Jeremy Corbyn deals with the biggest fallout with his MPs since the election, we reveal the results of a Times/YouGov poll of Labour members - taken this week

mobile.twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/979833586282049537

BigChocFrenzy · 30/03/2018 23:46

Something else to piss us off:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/mar/30/nine-out-of-10-public-sector-bodies-pay-men-more-than-women

Groundbreaking legislation forcing companies to disclose their gender pay gap for the first time has revealed that almost nine out of 10 public sector organisations pay men more than women.

As government departments, councils, NHS trusts, universities, schools and other public bodies with more than 250 employees
scrambled to report their gender pay gap before the midnight deadline on Friday, reported figures revealed that
women in the public sector are paid on average 14% less than their male colleagues

BigChocFrenzy · 30/03/2018 23:50

Also, Emily Thornberry and Disgraced Former Defence Secretary & Werrity-Sniffer Liam Fox
have joined forces to piss us off

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/29/fox-encouraged-by-thornberry-comment-on-blah-blah-blah-brexit-deal

The most fervent Brexiter in the cabinet has said he is encouraged by the shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry’s suggestion that Labour would vote for an anodyne deal on leaving the European Union.

The international trade secretary, Liam Fox, said his confidence in getting a Brussels agreement acceptable to parliament was boosted by Thornberry’s remark that Labour would back a “blah blah blah” deal,

despite the shadow chancellor John McDonnell’s insistence that she was being sarcastic.
< too subtle for Fox and I suspect anyway that Thornberry was partly playing to the Leave vote >