Leavers Lagoon - all systems are go. all lights are green

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Good news yesterday < gets out green highlighter >
Still work to be done but it’s another step in the right direction.

Ps: completely given up on the Brexit Arms as it’s been taken over by remainers.
This is our chilled out place to post on in the run up to March 2019.

Positive people only

My questions are not intended, though may come across as, challenging. More I feel there is a significant need to stop seeing 'leaving the EU' either in that one phrase or in focusing on a very small aspect, like the supposed positive prospects for the UK fishing industry in isolation from what the consequences will be across many aspects of UK productivity.

It is time for all of us to join up those individual dots.

It is not 'we save £50m on cheaper UK passport production' - good. So no need to explore any other aspect of what leaving the EU might mean.

We lose business from the EU for the UK vehicle validation agency - bad. So every concern expressed by those who have concerns about EU membership should be dismissed as irrelevant.

Unfortunately mummy there will be no new fishing rules 'soon', or possibly at all.

Yes mummy, but that is an EU regulation.

We have to retain it during the transition period and you can guarantee it will be part of any future trade agreement.

The fishing industry simply isn't important enough to the UK economy to be worth putting up a fight over.

If sacrificing it means a better deal on say, the financial services industry, that's what will happen.

I don't eat fish due to price and freshness. I grew up eating fish landed that morning at the local harbour. I cannot source local fresh fish unless you count intensively farmed salmon and trout. As I understand it most of the shellfish we export is also farmed rather than caught.

The UK is a net importer of fish even at current prices. Most of the chip shop fish we import is caught in our waters, landed elsewhere and imported back to us.

Is it fair to say that Brexiters have turned into snowflakes now? What's next? Brexmoaning? ("But Boris promised sunlit uplands!", "Where is our £350M/wk for the NHS?", "Where is the NHS?", "OMG BINO!", "Please don't ask pointed questions, laugh or say 'we told you so' - this is extremely brexiteerist!")

Final thought. If our membership of the CFP is so inconsequential to the UK economy why is the much larger EU economy so desperate to hang onto it for as long as possible?

Remain voter. Unhappy about all sorts of aspects of being in the EU. As are people in other EU countries. We worked it out together and compromised and, in our case, didn't join the Eurozone or Schengen.
Not a reason to stomp out in a fit of childish pique. Or, apparently, it is.
Hope no one runs an otherwise functioning family relationship like that.

mummmy2017 Total Allowable Catches, or quotas, aren't there just so the nasty EU can hamper our wonderful fisher folk, they are there to protect the stocks and to prevent the decline in species that would happen if they were halted. It would be disastrous to our fishing industry to remove them, so they will continue post brexit to be in place.

Because the UK fishing industry sold the rights under fishing licenses to other EU member state fishing operators. Why?

to Howabout

If our membership of the CFP is so inconsequential to the UK economy why is the much larger EU economy so desperate to hang onto it for as long as possible?

It's inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

It's suits the EU to retain access and it will suit us more to have access to financial services than fishing quotas so they'll be conceded.

Bear are you suggesting the EU are willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces wrt access to London financial services market but will dig their heels in over our "inconsequential" fishing rights?

re the importing of fish to the UK.

Regarding the Common Fisheries Policy - the clue is in the common it is an EU agreed approach to how fishing is dealt with. Had our MEPs/Govt wanted it changed the EU has rules on how to go about it. We never took up those options for review. Indeed our MEP on the relevant EU parliamentary committee opted to virtually never attend to put forward either a UK wide view, or indeed a position reflecting the many coastal towns in their own MEP constituency - step forward Nigel Farage, champion (or not) of the UK fishing industry.

mummmy2017 Total Allowable Catches, or quotas, aren't there just so the nasty EU can hamper our wonderful fisher folk, they are there to protect the stocks and to prevent the decline in species that would happen if they were halted.

The catastrophic collapse of the Newfoundland fishing industry was a warning.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_fishing_in_Newfoundland#20th_century_fishing_methods_and_the_fishery_collapse

Notice how much slower than expected the restocking took ...

How much does fishing contribute to the UK economy? Would the government prove penny wise and pound foolish by prioritising it? Is this just a cheap publicity opportunity for populists such as JFRM, confident that most Brexiters can't look up and compare two numbers differing by two orders of magnitude or more? (e.g. EU supply chain dependent manufacturing or financial services vs fishing).

No howabout- I'm saying that in the grand scheme of negiotiations, fishing quotas aren't going to take priority.

I've made it quite clear I think we are going to end up paying to stay in SM/CU in order to maintain the access we need.

That will entail abiding by current rules, including those for fishing.

FFS, I can't believe I just wrote 'I've made it quite clear' 😂

JFRM

Let me be very clear: we will make BINO a success. The people have spoken, we are getting on and sorting it. We are being very clear with the British people.

"... BINO ..."

Err, I'm sorry - Brexit, clearly.

The thing that hacks me off about Leavers is the expectation that Remainers should take this laying down. It’s all “we won, you lost, get over it. It’s DEMOCRACY and the WILL OF THE PEOPLE”.

No, it was the will of SOME of the people. The other people have equally strong opposing views which they are perfectly entitled to continue to fight for. Surely that is the essence of democracy?

I for one have every intention of (re)moaning and bitching and blaming every negative thing on Brexit. In much the same way that Eurosceptics have been moaning and bitching and blaming every negative thing on the EU for the last 30 years.

And if in a few years time a UKIP-style political party is started by swivel-eyed remainers with the intention of rejoining the EU I will be joining this party, let’s call it REJOIN, and fighting for a referendum on rejoining the EU.

And let’s say there’s another referendum in 15-20 years and Rejoin wins this referendum (highly likely given age demographics) with a margin of 52:48, what then? Will the leavers accept the result? They they shrug their shoulders and accept the will of the people? Will they be happy for the Rejoiners to push through a hard-rejoin with the Euro and joining the EU army? Will they my arse.

We were only ever in the EU in name only.
( EINO ) I mean, we never had the Euro, we were always asking for special concessions & generally being a bit of a pain.
They’ll miss our money, but they won’t miss us.

We have been extended the option of remaining by the EU members, so maybe they see a benefit to the UK remaining as a member state, albeit a bit of a curmudgeon from time to time.

The benefit they see is cash.

Whatisthewhatisthewhat
But you haven’t taken it lying down have you.
You’ve had marches, demonstrations, court cases, you name it.
Good for you, carry on - I’m just asking you to stop ruining my thread.