Leavers Lagoon - all systems are go. all lights are green

[surferjet]

Good news yesterday < gets out green highlighter >
Still work to be done but it’s another step in the right direction.

Ps: completely given up on the Brexit Arms as it’s been taken over by remainers.
This is our chilled out place to post on in the run up to March 2019.

Positive people only

I think the premise is that because half of the people voted against the EU, they (the EU) must be to blame.

Mummmy?

Looking forward to Peston on Sunday. No idea how Sir Keir is going to manage to distance himself from Owen, stay loyal to JC and please his Remainer fan club. Just had a scroll through all the Remain comments urging him on and the most amusing thing is they have all spelled his name wrong.

Just over a third voted Leave. Just under a third voted Remain. A third didn't vote. Hardly the united will of the majority of the people but, hey, we're stuck on this stupid road now. The car crash at the end of it is the fault of the Leave voters, David Cameron for not having the balls to stand up to the Brexiteers in his party and the blessed JC for going awol to ensure the result he not very secretly wanted.
Ever get the feeling you've been had? To coin a punk expression.

So if 17 million vote for change.....
Oh well carry on in ga ga land...

Anyone want to make positive comments about the Leave campaign using Facebook data?

Remainers always go on about how much their feelings matter too - they didn’t want this so we must respect them & do all we can to make them feel better, bla bla bla.
If we had this mythical 2nd referendum & ( god forbid ) remain won - do you think they’d give a flying fuck about leavers?

Nope. They’d laugh in our faces.

I thought I heard the politicians making statements about 'the will of the people' - that doesn't sound like May and Co ignoring the result. If she's making a hash of the negotiations then complain either to her, or via your MP.

I think you’ll find remainers are concerned about this country becoming poorer after Brexit. Just as the impact assessments state. Leavers here don’t seem to give a toss about that. Voting to make your country poorer is a strange type of patriotism.

I don't like Philip Hammond but I had to agree when he said that no one voted to be poorer. It does seem as though he was wrong, although I suspect that those laughing at the thought of people losing jobs and becoming poorer think that it will happen to the other person.

My feelings as a remainer are irrelevant. However, as a U.K. citizen I can expect Parliament to exercise it's prerogative to challenge, discuss, debate and vote on issues pertaining to the country.

If a second referendum is constitutionally legal (it could be) then feelings don't matter.

A second referendum would need to be structured much more carefully to ensure it was legal.

Legality, not feelings.

@Moussemoose

Talking of legality it is likely a requirement under the EUROPEAN UNION ACT 2011 to hold a referendum on the terms of the deal including transition.

Surferjet

*If we had this mythical 2nd referendum & ( god forbid ) remain won - do you think they’d give a flying fuck about leavers?

Nope. They’d laugh in our faces.*

You do seem to be taking this whole issue as a binary stand-off, us against them, Leavers against Remainers. It's a bit like the UK stance of seeing the EU as the enemy (backed with unsuitable WW2 references) and seeing negotiations as a conflict where battles are to be won. A zero sum game, in short.

I really don't see Brexit as a competitive confrontation. I'd just prefer the country not to make itself worse off and to realise who our closest and best partners are. I certainly have no desire for Leavers to suffer or to laugh in anyone's face if a 2nd referendum were to take account of reality and kept us in the EU. Or, as I'm required to be a realist too, if we were to end up with BINO without the pain of a further divisive referendum.

Far from "not giving a flying fuck" about Leavers, I'd be glad that they weren't making themselves poorer and we could get back to dealing with the many other pressing problems facing the country.

The press in problems that were around pre brexit are the reason this vote happened in the first place sucessive governments failed too address how millions felt about life in General. You have to face up to the fact that this was a vote to change our way of life. Enough people have told you this again and again in so many different ways.
Yet your need to cling to the EU way of doing things means you fail to see the world is changing...

The only change you will see is the country getting poorer. Education, health etc will see get run into the ground. You have been sold a pup.

Mummmy

What changes do 17m people want to their way of life?

How will leaving the EU effect these changes?

What is the EU way of doing things (that we are “clinging to”)?

Change will now happen.
You have to admit that.
Good or bad and in the end the government in charge will make massive changes as they can no longer hide behind the EU.

And how will making the country poorer help the government to address all those pre existing problems? Less money available for health, education, infrastructure etc.

As for changing our way of life - the proponents of the Leave campaign knew they could promise whatever they wanted because they will not be the ones required to deliver on those promises.

So mummmy please tell me how leaving the EU will solve the UK’s domestic problems?

So sorry I am not an employed to do this . Are you?

mummy, you sound like you don't know what the hell you voted for other than to leave the EU. This is a process not the final destination. You have no idea where you are going. This is pretty reckless and down right stupid tbh.

Please give us details in full how while staying in the EU the govenment could have. Would have . Should have change things to improve all the pressing problems that were inforce before we voted?

Life was bad. Drastic action was needed and D.C. the idiot offered it.... He was the PM...

The pressing problems this country have are the result of consecutive British governments not the EU. That's why leavers are being distracted with manufactured rage about blue passports by their beloved tabloids. If the press focussed on trying to fix health, education etc after Brexit they'd find nothing will change. Just as fisherman are finding out now.

The NHS has been in trouble for decades... no government has ever mixed it. Same with education. Transport. Roads get real Brexit was a vote that can and will see chances at last

@Mummy2017

When half the people who went to vote do so for what has been in place for fourty years, the government in power would be dense not to sit up and take note.

There, fixed that for you, including the grammar.