Westminstenders: Exit 2020 Vision

[RedToothBrush]

Yet it is a great mistake to suppose that the only writers who matter are those whom the educated in their saner moments can take seriously. There exists a subterranean world where pathological fantasies disguised as ideas are churned out by crooks and half-educated fanatics for the benefit of the ignorant and the superstitious. There are times when this underworld emerges from the depths and suddenly fascinates, capturers and dominates multitudes of usually sane and responsible people, who thereupon take leave of sanity and responsibility. And it occasionally happens that this underworld becomes a political power and changes the course of history.
Norm Cohn ‘Warrant for Genocide’ 1970

(As referenced by Nick Cohen).

We have a deal (or bits of a deal). Bino til Dec 2020. Then the cliff?

Still a long way to go. It sounds better than it could be. But worse than it initially seems.

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-article50/court-rules-in-favour-of-case-on-britains-ability-to-reverse-brexit-idUKKBN1GW195

Michael Gove is facing fresh questions about his alleged intervention in a sexual abuse investigation at a Catholic school after further evidence emerged that appears to link him to the inquiry

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/20/gove-faces-fresh-scrutiny-over-school-sexual-abuse-case-downside

That is good news! (potentially - Scottish higher courts and ECJ willing). It really puts the onus on the govt to achieve something tangible and beneficial and means there's a way back if/ when they fail. They can't just run the clock out anymore.

From that article: Re School sexual abuse allegations.

The Somerset MP Jacob Rees-Mogg, who has connections to Downside school, did not respond to the Guardian’s questions about whether he had discussed the investigation with Gove

Lady Gillian Rees-Mogg, the MP’s mother, was the school governor with responsibility for child protection at Downside for some of this period. Her role, mentioned in evidence at the IICSA inquiry, is recorded in a July 2009 Downside school pamphlet on child protection and a subsequent Downside school parents handbook for 2010-11

The abbot of Downside, Dom Aiden Bellenger, officiated at Jacob Rees-Mogg’s wedding in 2007, reciting a Catholic mass in Latin at the service in Canterbury Cathedral. The MP, whose constituency is next door to Downside, has spoken at Downside.

eek I was posting in response to your first link @woman - not the Gove one. Though anything that means trouble for crickety wicket is alright in my book... terrible if true, though - and oh look, there's a Rees Mogg connection to the story as well.

Icantreachthepretzels Yes, here's the text of the judgement

www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2018csih18.pdf?sfvrsn=0

We used to have 150 fishing vessels in our town, we now have 15. Last week there was a meeting here with one of the ministers of fisheries who at a meeting with well over 100 people from the fishing industry promised we would leave the EU common fisheries in 2019. A week later they have this done to them. The remaining 15 fishing vessels here cannot survive another 2 years. I knew May would sell them out.

Brexit: Confusion as Article 32 regulating free movement for British citizens vanishes from latest agreement

Exclusive: MEPs from Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, Greens and SNP write to David Davis for urgent clarification

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-article-32-missing-agreement-uk-citizens-free-movement-eu-britain-latest-updates-a8264631.html

@JolyonMaugham
This was not the result I wanted. I wanted to lose and go to the Supreme Court. But it is hugely politically significant that the Scottish Court of Appeal has acknowledged Parliament can vote to Remain - whatever the Government pretends.Jo Maugham QC added,

The Inner House of the Court of Session has given us permission. And recognises (in its judicial way) that the Government is speaking constitutional bunkum when it says that Parliament cannot decide that the country should Remain in the EU.

Wrt missing Article 32. 'Nothing is agreed till everything is agreed'.
Still a crash out.....................

The ex-leader of Theresa May’s Downing Street policy board has said he will not back her Brexit deal if it creates a hard border in Ireland

George Freeman MP warned that time is running out to resolve the issue which he said is a “red line” for himself and other Conservative backbenchers

Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Westminster Hour, he said commitments Ms May had already made as part of her negotiating position are "irreconcilable" with Europe's expectations

Emphasising that the border issue is a "red line" for him and other Tories, he added: "I would find it very difficult to vote for a Brexit that puts a border back between the north and south in Ireland and creates a cliff edge for investment next spring

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-hard-ireland-border-deal-reject-mps-george-freeman-tory-backbenchers-david-davis-a8262876.html

I have already posted links explaining that not all of the fishing industry's problems can be laid at the door of the EU, Sostenueto - a lot of them are down to our own government's actions: eg choosing to sell a large part of the UK quota to large Dutch registered vessel(s), and not implementing/delaying implementing EU legislation that encouraged small vessels

But of course that doesn't fit with the Brexiters' narrative

“It is no good fighting an election campaign on the facts, because actually it is all about emotion.” Cambridge Analytica

@PainInTheEar

They are right.

And so it is in daily life too.

Shocking as it is to hear they've exploited this aspect of human psychology in an industrial scale.

Have you seen the YouTube video on Fear and the Conservative mind?

Just checking into thread

I really don't understand this CA outrage; the majority of Leavers aren't crying out that they were misled. For example

• people voted Leave in areas which rely heavily on EU funding
• people voted Leave in areas which rely on industries which require frictionless trade e.g. Sunderland

The list goes on.

The fact is Leavers were not and still aren't interested in the facts of the situation.

Most Leavers are still hell bent on going through with it even though it's an entirely emotional decision.

They have not been manipulated into that position, they've just chosen to completely ignore the realities.

“It is no good fighting an election campaign on the facts, because actually it is all about emotion.” Cambridge Analytica

I thought when I heard them say this at their dodgy meeting that it could well go down as a succinct summary of the Referndum campain(s).

bearbehind

James O'Brien
‏*@mrjamesob*
Going out on a limb here but the people who’ve been brainwashed by their own Facebook feeds aren’t very likely to believe they’ve been brainwashed.

I agree it's cult like but Leavers aren't generally claiming they were misled.

They are perfectly happy that there's no solution to major issues because all they are bothered about is being able to say 'we've left'

They can see clearly what the repercussions are going to be, they simply don't care.

The CA stuff reads like the plot of a John Grisham novel that he rejected for being too outlandish

Thanks for the new thread Red

I think even Dan Brown would have given this a swerve

lonely, could you give us the source/link for the info on that urgent question? I'd like to quote it when I write to my MP.

Pain maybe Clive cussler?

*TomRsvenscroft
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It was in the Standard.May be elsewhere too?

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mps-call-for-probe-into-claim-that-social-media-data-breach-helped-sway-brexit-result-a3793361.html