Westminstenders: Exit 2020 Vision

[RedToothBrush]

Yet it is a great mistake to suppose that the only writers who matter are those whom the educated in their saner moments can take seriously. There exists a subterranean world where pathological fantasies disguised as ideas are churned out by crooks and half-educated fanatics for the benefit of the ignorant and the superstitious. There are times when this underworld emerges from the depths and suddenly fascinates, capturers and dominates multitudes of usually sane and responsible people, who thereupon take leave of sanity and responsibility. And it occasionally happens that this underworld becomes a political power and changes the course of history.
Norm Cohn ‘Warrant for Genocide’ 1970

(As referenced by Nick Cohen).

We have a deal (or bits of a deal). Bino til Dec 2020. Then the cliff?

Still a long way to go. It sounds better than it could be. But worse than it initially seems.

Am also writing to the beeb saying if they plan to cover Rees Mogg's absurd fish flinging they must balance it by covering the many business closures and jobs already lost following the referendum vote. The more letters the better.

I don't think that people are suggesting we do nothing.....but there is indeed a justifiable degree of cynicism about whether it will result in the referendum result being challenged.

Remember the hanging chads in the 2000 US election. The ones that resulted in Bush winning Florida and therefore the Presidency? How many realise that it was later established (around the time of 9/11, although I'm not suggesting any conspiracy theory,) that Al Gore had indeed won Florida Didn't change the result of the Electoral College, even though they'd voted Bush in on a false result.

That was an explicit - and at the time controversial (thanks to the US habit of "calling" a state) - mistake - yet it made no difference.

This is even more insidious, invidious and dangerous technique, that is even more difficult to challenge

That is not to suggest we shouldn't keep trying, keep calling them on it, keeping exposing them, keep encouraging whistle blowers, keep following the money, keep analysing "who benefits" to understand who are the puppet masters, keep talking, keep hoping.

Useful place mat king (thanks Red )

Actually I think my MP quite enjoys just forwarding all the indignant letters and emails about Brexit from constituents to the DExEu. Well I would.

I am extremely cynical, and as far as the Tories are concerned, losing votes would be the only thing which mattered, hence their pandering to UKIP. I would also say that the hard left Labour are as bad.

The last election ought to have told Theresa May that she was on the wrong track - where was her huge majority? But did it? It didn't make a scrap of difference, she just blundered on.

Lib Dem Former Cabinet minister Sir Ed Davey has asked Speaker John Bercow to grant an urgent question in Westminster:

“We need to know how many people may have had their data breached, and whether it was used in any referendum or election campaign without their knowledge,”

That was already requested yesterday before the Channel 4 news item.

Found you! You'd vanished from my feed for some reason [suspicious]

Since it went quiet in the car, after I turned IDS off, I found myself idly wondering if this news will have any effect on EU nationals perception of the UK or not.

Put bluntly, are they going to be returning, or will the current trend(s) be continued ?

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Wow....

Just...wow

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/foreign-affairs/news/93772/jeremy-corbyn-russia-must-be-given-nerve-agent-sample-so-they-can
Jeremy Corbyn: Russia must be given nerve agent sample so they can say if it is theirs

FFS.

FFS indeed.

""Russia is a huge country that suffered more than anyone else in the Second World War and we have to recognise that there has to be a relationship with Russia."

Are the two parts of this sentence supposed to be linked in some way?

See, this feeds into my tin foil hat knitting. If anything was a distraction, I'd say this is an effective way to change focus from Cambridge Analytica and take up the valuable bandwidth we'd be using to trying to force the issue on CA.

Corbyn is singlehandedly screwing this country. He is the main obstacle to killing Brexshit. How one man is going to potentially screw over 60 million.

I mean...

What?...

Thank you, DrivenToDespair, for your excellent injection of energy and call to arms.

I will write to the BBC for sure. Am thinking about what I may write to my MP (which will be more complicated, I think).

With regard to Corbyn: well, I think we're getting a very clear indication of what he'd be like as a PM. Those that love that sort of thing will love it; those that don't, won't. Regardless of how you feel, I think this really does give you some idea of who he is as a leader. So it has a value.

Jo Maugham QC
‏*@JolyonMaugham*
The Inner House of the Court of Session has given us permission. And recognises (in its judicial way) that the Government is speaking constitutional bunkum when it says that Parliament cannot decide that the country should Remain in the EU.

@PainInTheEar

Good that we have some sense from the courts.

Lord Callanan was at it again in the Lords. This initiative hopefully helps.

Jeremy Corbyn: Russia must be given nerve agent sample so they can say if it is theirs

Isn't that an obligation on the UK as a result of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention ?

I think it is a requirement of the CWC, yes. My impression is Corbyn is playing it straight as per the only legislation that seems to apply.
I'm annoyed by his position on Brexit but not by his position on this. He has pointed out there is no hard evidence and that is true in fact. Other than that there is a lot of posturing going on from many sides.
(On the poison thread there is a certain amount of bemusement as to how this deadly toxin seems not to have affected anyone else other than the police officer despite the unfortunate Skripals's visiting a number of places around the town.)

Skripals

On the poison thread there is a certain amount of bemusement as to how this deadly toxin seems not to have affected anyone else other than the police officer despite the unfortunate Skripals's visiting a number of places around the town.

because it breaks down in minutes ?