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No kicking off on this thread!!!

Bear has kindly set up another (non-pub) thread, so that leaves this one free for the Brexiteers!!!

Good speech by Theresa May today - onwards to Brexit 🍻🇬🇧

Bear - FOM is only one of the things I dislike about the EU and why I voted leave. I want anyone from anywhere, as long as they meet our visa requirements to be able to come here.

In the EU the erasmus scheme is financially supported so it's a possibility.
I would say studying abroad to reduce fees for as good as education makes financial sense and is market forces.
Can't understand why there is anything unethical about that.
I've already been told by a leave voter that it would be unethical of her to emigrate post uni and she should stay and suffer

My question still stands double

What is so bad it's worth

• paying to stay in agencies we want
• paying for access to SM
• abiding by EU rules with no say in them
• having less access than we do now

This is the complete reverse of taking back control.

We are giving up the control we had for a worse deal.

So my dd won't be able to do the erasmus scheme or alternatively go to uni in Holland and save £5K per year on tuition fees because of your own ( and various other views on FOM)

To be honest, your daughter's access to university in a different country (to save money) or her possibly participating in the Erasmus scheme is inconsequential to me.

I voted for more reasons than just ending FoM btw (explained numerous times on numerous threads).

Before yesterday you've all had the fall back of 'we don't know what's going to happen'

You now do, and that's the best case scenario.

So why is it worth it?

So why is it worth it?

Because we will no longer be bound so inextricably with the institution.

your daughter's access to university in a different country (to save money) or her possibly participating in the Erasmus scheme is inconsequential to me.

So the impact on individual people's lives in inconsequential? That's nice to know.

We're going to get something that's worse than we have now and the individual impact is inconsequential.

So what's the higher good then. It certainly isn't about taking back control because we going to have less of that.

It can't be about tariffs to poorer non EU countries because that myths been exploded too.

It'll be good for disaster capitalists but other than that?

*So the impact on individual people's lives in inconsequential? That's nice to know.

We're going to get something that's worse than we have now and the individual impact is inconsequential. *

Rather over-egging the pudding here.

Your daughter may have to jump through a few more hoops to save money, that's it.

She will not be barred from attending university.

because we will no longer be bound so inextricably with the institution.

But that's simply not true.

We'll still be 'inextricably linked' in all the important stuff, with the added disadvantage of having no say in future changes.

Because we will no longer be bound so inextricably with the institution

Indeed.

The UK can then slash safety and environmental standards a long way - standards that are good enough for India can be good enough for the UK, according to JacobReesMogg:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html

The UK will then sell-off the NHS as part of a post-Brexit trade deal with Trump:
uk.businessinsider.com/theresa-may-nhs-brexit-free-trade-deal-donald-trump-2018-2

But that's simply not true.

Yes it is.

faith, we've been here countless times before; you simply saying something is true does not make it so.

How can you defend TM's intention of remaining aligned with rules we can't influence, remaining under the influence of ECJ, paying for access to SM and agencies?

TM's new Brexit song

abilockhart - you didn't listen to the PM's speech yesterday did you.

Why would a leaver saying they are anti FOM have anything o do with us not wanting people to come or go to Europe? I said I thought everyone should be treated equally so the EU citizens would be treated the same as everyone else. Erasmus will carry on whither we are in the EU or not.
Bear - I've always thought we would have to pay for access to certain organizations. We are not paying for access to the SM coz we don't want to be in the SM. We want a free trade deal. Obviously if we have a free trade deal our goods we sell them will have to comply with the rules of the EU.

Doubletrouble99, you sound very confused.

doible, we are going to have to pay for this 'customs arrangement' it's not going to be free.

Also, it's not even given we can pay to be associate members of the EU agencies we want.

If you'd been told all this before you put your cross in the because- can you honestly say you'd have made the same decision?

Actually, you were told, but you didn't believe it and even now that it's happening you're still playing it down.

How can you defend TM's intention of remaining aligned with rules we can't influence, remaining under the influence of ECJ, paying for access to SM and agencies?

Aligning with rules we can't influence for the specific sectors we hope to be involved with.

Remaining under the influence of the ECJ for the specific sectors we hope to be involved with.

Paying for access to SM and agencies we hope to be involved with.
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What we will not be, is inextricably bound to every single part of the EU.

By leaving the EU & invoking an associate partnership, we can diverge in the future if we wish - the hard work having already been done with Brexit.

for the specific sectors we hope to be involved with.

OK, which 'specific sectors or agencies' don't we want to be involved in?

. We are not paying for access to the SM coz we don't want to be in the SM.

The EU may well require payment for any proposed CFTA - figures in the order of €3.5 billion have been floated in EU briefing documents.

That's not the question Bear - we want to be involved with a great deal of it; what I don't want is the 'ever closer political union' and military union etc. Ceding ever increasing amounts of sovereignty is what I want to stop.

The EU vision is that of the closest possible union between all member states - that's great, if that's what you want.

But I don't want that, I want to be a close partner, but a wholly independent partner - and that is why people like me voted for Brexit.

Of course it's the question faith

There's nothing we don't actually want to stay involved in except FOM.

that means we pay for access to everything except that, we have worse terms, we have no say in the rules and all to stop a few unwanted immigrants because we need the vast majority of them.

There's nothing we don't actually want to stay involved in except FOM.

Apart from the future EU vision of ever closer political, economic & military union & ceding increasing amounts of sovereignty obvs.

Which are all intangible things that may or may not happen.

Okay I give up
I have spent to much of my life reading about the EFTA
Seem to be a off the shelf solution to our current pickle
But I guess it all easier to one side to call other racist for FOM and the other nazi for leaver
You fo realise both have very similar ideas and opinions.
Bit like the kettle call the pot black
neither side is going to get anything you want. Remain isn't going to happen and Brexitters will be sold short to keep Britain trading.
I couldn't care less, actually 70% population couldn't either. We will have a efta style agreement and both sides will be pissed off.
But I will be happy.
Enjoy your stupid agruments you have been rehearsing them for 20 months
Remains we are leaving
Brexitters it will be a bloody soft one
You could try and find common ground and make it work, or carry on and watch it turn to shit
Some one said I was like a 5 year old, so I went off and reaearch for answers as asked. Pity our sodding government couldn't do same instead of pie in sky ideals
Enjoy your weekend

Brexitters it will be a bloody soft one
You could try and find common ground and make it work, or carry on and watch it turn to shit

Every single Brexiter on this thread & the last has said that they are feeling positive after TM's speech & the future direction that she has outlined.