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No kicking off on this thread!!!

Bear has kindly set up another (non-pub) thread, so that leaves this one free for the Brexiteers!!!

Good speech by Theresa May today - onwards to Brexit 🍻🇬🇧

Which is why TM doesn't want it.

NI remaining in the CU isn't an option though is it? Even if TM wanted to, the DUP won't allow it.

This analogy made me chuckle today wrt TM's 'commitments'

Imagine if eight-year-olds up and down the land knew that all they had to do was to give a range of set-piece speeches, making clear they are “absolutely committed” to never stealing biscuits from the tin, then when suddenly eight bourbons have gone missing nobody could possibly suspect them, because they are, after all, “absolutely committed” to not stealing them.

Thanks bear.
Just to say I have spent 30 years self loathing myself and the uneducated person I am.

30 years ago I lost my brother and dad in 14 months, so instead of going to NZ i stayed to look after my ill mother

It has took me 27 years, marriage and two kids and 18 months of counselling to get to be able to post on here or interact with anyone I dont know.

So I will leave now as my little bit of self confidence is being shredded. My wife says I am going back to my self loathing self and got my consellor to talk to me. She said to leave you to it.

So I am. Thanks to everyone who had kind words of support, I will never forget your help and encoragement

User, you should feel impressed with yourself for engaging on this and for holding your own on a rough subject.

Gussy then how do you represent those Irish citizens that live in the north of Ireland that do not identify as British, as is their right under the GFA?

I’m not being goady, I am married to someone born in the north of Ireland who identifies as Irish rather than British (especially when the Six Nations is on).

user, this isn't a thread for counselling or motivation about self improvement.

Yes, you've gained new skills- that's great.

What is less so is your preaching to everyone else about how they can do the same.

I hope you retain your self confidence from what you've learned but please don't tell others to do something we've done for years.

Good luck with battles

Agnes. See the history of the Troubles for the answer.

I think your wife is probably right user. Forums/message boards/social media are often pretty toxic places and best avoided. There's no reason why you can't continue to research, develop and share your opinion, just maybe choose your audience carefully. I've enjoyed your posts and watching your opinions grow and take shape. Good luck.

Interesting article Faith - not least because I now understand why Gibraltar is a different kettle of fish from NI. However my very rusty constitutional law head is highly sceptical of its central assertions. It is making the mistake of treating NI as a sovereign Nation which has delegated power up to UK. The reverse is the case, as was confirmed in the Art 50 Case. Power is devolved to NI, Wales and Scotland from Westminster, but this devolution does not extend to International Relations. Therefore NI citizens still have voting rights in Westminster to have a say in the negotiation.

See the history of the Troubles for the answer

What answer?

Dairy or sheep in NZ user ?

Howabout, Bear, frumpety - What I took from it was that the EU's own suggestion re NI & customs union is not permissible under ECHR (after the Gibraltar case), unless they have specific NI representation.

(I'm not confident that I'm interpreting it properly though).

Lol @ the bourbon analogy 😂

Agnes, that's the point. It would take a long time to explain how things got so murderously awful and what the totally legitimate and totally opposite grievances there are on both sides and how the GFA somehow managed to put a lid on it. The GFA brought peace. Brexit messes with it. No Leave voter on here appeared to give a monkeys about in the run up to the referendum. And now gets all hurt when told it's your mess, you sort it.

Hence the conundrum.

How will the EU rights of Irish citizens in Northern Ireland be given effect after the UK leaves the EU? The rights are of no value if they cannot be enforced.

Which court will Irish citizens resident in Northern Ireland have recourse to enforce their EU citizenship rights?

How will Irish citizens in Northern Ireland be able to exercise their rights to participate in the democratic life of the EU?

Answers on a postcard ...

@Faith why is a random recently established website with a huge pro-Brexit bias immediately evident on its homepage hardly reputable? Seriously? Please kindly contrast that with the likes of the BBC, Torygraph, Graun, FT, Bloomberg, the Economist etc. and let us know if the difference in reputation is not clear.

@Faith why is a random recently established website with a huge pro-Brexit bias immediately evident on its homepage hardly reputable? Seriously? Please kindly contrast that with the likes of the BBC, Torygraph, Graun, FT, Bloomberg, the Economist etc. and let us know if the difference in reputation is not clear.

All rant & no substance.

"Bearbehind
For once, stop being snippy at people and try to be supportive, constructive, positive.

Nothing pisses people off more than being looked down on without an explanation of how they can try to climb up."

Ah well said Talkin!

let us know if the difference in reputation is not clear.*

Not clear, no.

Hence my asking.

Is it the authors & contributors in particular that you have a problem with?
Is it their qualifications?
Their experience?
Their knowledge on the subjects they write on?

I'm still unclear as to what your point is tbh - are you dismissive purely because it's a pro Brexit site?

faith, interestingly your link is being discussed on 'the other thread'

Isn't it funny how there's even a 'them and us' (different divide) on these threads!

inkanta, I've not noticed you contribute anything relevant in this thread, just moaning at me.

It's moved on, please could you.

I've not looked at Red's threads for a while now Bear - I usually have a browse when something significant happens to see the other viewpoints, but haven't recently unfortunately.

LondonMum - here's a link to the list of editors & contributors.

A pretty expert bunch of people by all accounts.

briefingsforbrexit.com/about-the-contributors/

They are only Irish citizens if, like me, they claim it as their "birthright ". There is no floating "MEP" for me as a British born UK citizen with an Irish Mum. Why should it be any different for NI?
How would my neighbours here on the mainland UK who voted Leave feel if I said I wanted an MEP to mop up my Irishness outside UK jurisdiction.