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No kicking off on this thread!!!

Bear has kindly set up another (non-pub) thread, so that leaves this one free for the Brexiteers!!!

Good speech by Theresa May today - onwards to Brexit 🍻🇬🇧

'Not had a run in with bear for ages.'

Well some people still do - where's your sympathy and support User.

@bearbehind
From now on please can we agree to clarify comments if requested and answer questions to the best of our ability if they are posed,
It will not happen.
You are just setting yourself up for another fight.

If ridiculous claims are made, either ignore them oxygen of publicity and all that or debunk them
its quicker and less irritating for everybody

user you were never the pub bore. Your posts are interesting - pub philosopher maybe?

Thanks Cupoftea and Talkin
I find the coverage of the Italian election fascinating, on one hand English, I count USA and UK, press see as another death nail in EU, but Italy itself seems exactly as Bananagio says. Makes sense she lives there . Other European countries believe that's Italian politics for you and we been here numerous times before.
Days like this make me wish I wasn't your average UK citizen and I had manage to learn a MFL, or numerous, because the native language papers usually tell you the truth, more than their English versions, which seem more anglicised.
I know from relatives in Sweden and Estonia there is no real upsurge in support for abandoning the EU

Cupofteaandtoilet
Can I join you with your mild and bitter, thought people had stopped drinking mild, such an underrated drink if you ask me.
Darts, yes maths ok but slow, especially from 501, and combinations to finish
If not darts you are all welcome to join in with pub skittles, dominoes, pool, costs £1.
If nice outside we have boules, cosmopolitan us or Egton, N Yorks, Quoits, which use horseshoes instead of rope.

This really is tedious now.

Yes it is.

So stop.

I note that the Daily Mail is running a story today about the loss of recognition of a UK driving licences in the EU after Brexit and the need to obtain an international licence to drive in the EU as a visitor or application for a restricted number of HGV type licences. This is an inconvenience for those who might still want to holiday in the EU but may become a significant impediment to our road haulage trade.

Also, the Chancellor will be speaking ?today about Brexit - his added on at the end speech - and identifies the urgent need for a transition agreement in order to facilitate the aviation industry in the UK.

Looks like transportation may be less, not as/more easy, as a result of the Brexit vote. Is there a positive way of looking at this - not sure of the Leaver view?

Actually if you and surfer are so pissed off with bear, why don't you report her, you been threatening to numerous threads, so your right it is either Stockholm syndrome for you too, then it could be like some one who fancies someone else but daren't admit to it so attacks them constantly to cover it up or you both love it and you constantly write those posts to goad bear. I actually think it's latter now, and so I'm off

Last night was the first time I’ve ever mentioned reporting Bear, so not sure where the ‘you’ve been threatening on numerous threads’ has come from?
& it’s Bear who chooses to come on these threads just to get angry & frustrated.
( we haven’t kidnapped her, so you clearly don’t know what Stockholm syndrome means )
I don’t know if Bear is being horrible to me just to hide her true feelings of love 💕 - only she knows that.
And your accusation that I posted the ‘racist UK’ comment just to goad Bear is nonsense, as she wasn’t even on the thread at the time.
I suggest you decide whose side you’re on, as it will be very exhausting for you trying to be all things to all people. & a tad fake.

Why must someone be 'on a side'? Surely we all need to understand our shared future? One of the fundamental flaws, in my opinion, in Mrs May's leadership, is her total failure to address the very significant divisions in the country as a result of the referendum result.

Looks like transportation may be less, not as/more easy, as a result of the Brexit vote. Is there a positive way of looking at this

Fewer pissed up Brits abroad ?

Forcing people to stay (and spend) in the UK ?

Reduce UKs carbon footprint ?

Turn unused airports into farms ?

That's four I've pulled out my arse carefully researched. Messrs Davies, Fox and Johnson will be along later like never with the fine details.

Inkanta,
I do have sympathy for both sides, like Talkin said before insults don't work. Sadly neither insulting Surfer/Faith/Time4 or you and then the tit for tat insults back, haven't changed bears views on Brexit or yours on remaining.
Surferjet
I don't want to be on either your or bear's side actually, It's not football, rubgy, netball or war. I am my own side, the unique was a remainer now see we have to leave side.
I am quite happy to be neutral, in fact I have joined the one man EFTA&EEA party, thanks. So I see pages 20 to 26 has hot air, pointless, I scan read them, switched off my brain and went and researched Italy.
You mentioned racist country, bear replied, I went oh shit and shut down. looks like I wasn't only one
So unlike you and bear, I have listened for 20 months, swapped sides and now doing everything in my power to learn about EFTA/EEA and all things FTA, CU/A and GDP and world trade. It's fascinating and mind stretching at times, but with help from here and google, I am loving it
Maybe if every one in UK right now, dropped the trenches and barricades and opened their eyes and minds we might be okay in 2023, that's all I want

Perfect - Boris can spend billions on a Channel bridge that we’ll all need international driving licences to use.

Not much different to Boris spending millions on a bridge across the Thames that was going to have restricted access.

Can we go back to what appears to be the crux of negiotiations, NI.

Since we've all now agreed a virtual border in 13 months is not going to happen, how do people see this working out?

What are the realistic options here, given they need to be agreed in the next probably 6 months?

I simply don't see a solution.

I agree, bear. Anything else is a distraction. I want to know how Leave supporters think we should solve this one. It is absolutely their job to do this seeing as they created this uncertainty.
I am very old. My childhood was blighted by the problems in NI. I don't want to go back to those problems.

Endless transition/implementation period whilst we abide by the EU rules current and future with a fudge on contributions when the next EU budget round is sorted. No MEPs for the UK, except possibly for NI citizens who, under the peace agreement/GFA/BA (terms as best suits the reader), identify as Irish.

I use 'implementation' to be inclusive of all views. However, to be in a phase of 'implementation' would, in my opinion, mean working towards a known outcome - and I am not sure we are there yet.

That's about where I've got to JWIM just keep kicking the can further down the road but the EU have said the implementation period needs to have a clear end date so what then?

"No MEPs for the UK, except possibly for NI citizens who, under the peace agreement/GFA/BA (terms as best suits the reader), identify as Irish."

Have you any idea how inflammatory this idea is?
More divisiveness. Quite a ghastly notion.

All is not lost.

The Telegraph is now touting a special relationship between the UK and Saudi Arabia.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/05/exclusive-interview-british-saudi-people-will-much-safer-have/

After all, the Saudis are very keen to buy arms.

Selling arms to the Saudis has the potential to make some already wealthy individuals in the UK the opportunity to become very wealthy indeed.

Also surfer, that's the other problem, after reading first 6/7 arms threads, as a remainer, I left despressed, the insults where soul destroying
I realise now I was in a form of grief, so abandon all EU threads.
Then returned to here, with my conversation position, and rest is history.
I shall be forever greatful to TalkinPeace for getting me to analysis things, and encouragement of others to keep being the bore
But these threads, unlike me, haven't moved on in 18 months.
So you see that side bores me, if I see a post from You, Faith or Bear which contains a reply to the other I just past it by.
So your right you may never before threatened to report Bear, I won't know, as it's worthless wasting my time reading them.
I guessed you had because all 3 of you, and I equally blame all 3, have been arguing the same shit/trading insults from thread 1, so I wrongly guessed you had previously

So I am going to do something that only I seem to do on here,and say sorry that I got it wrong and may have insulted your side

Apologies for going Boris The Remainer on our Brexiter chums, but all the Nation really needs is popcorn for the Remainers and copious amounts of lubricant for all to facilitate the Global Trade Deals negotiation process and its consequences.

user If you are 'forever grateful to Talkinpeace for getting you to analysis things' yet that only happened a matter of days ago it doesn't say much about how much you'd thought things through before.

We might not agree but a lot of us on here have been posting about this subject for nearly 2 years and have been analysing things from day 1.

When you first started posting you wanted everyone to embrace Leave, now you've realised it's a bad idea so have changed you views.

It's more than a little confusing.

Your assertion now, if I've kept up correctly, is EFTA for all except NI where EEA should apply. How do you thinks that's either possible or desirable?

Gussy I think you will find that it is already being considered. It is yet another 'challenge' arising from the UK decision to leave the EU (and SM and CU as per TM) and the consequences (known before the referendum) of the UK being in breach of the peace agreement/GFA/BA (as readers chose). Under that international treaty individuals in NI may identify as Irish. As Irish citizens are and will continue to be citizens of the EU - unlike most of the rest of the UK's citizens, and because the EU operates on democratic principles, ways are being considered as to how those NI citizens who are Irish and therefore EU citizens can continue to be represented in the EU parliament.

Bear,
Honest answer about NI
I don't think anyone has a honest answer, apart from the one we say as we are now.
The line from TM speech, which stuck with me was as below:-
It is no longer acceptable to us to say we don't want a border in Ireland, but if the EU forces one on the Irish, that's there problem/so be it. We are leaving so it is upon us to come to a acceptable solution with everyone.

To me that is a major change, and sounds like she has realised that all plans put forward so far are unworkable. I think we end up with a fudge of leaving on EFTA/EEA membership, which allows NI to keep SM/CU membership, because we have left, but NI is virtually like GB and so similar to new EFTA mainland
I think it was away of softening DUP and Brexitters in her party
But that's just my very humble thoughts, sorry

abi the UK has been happily doing arms-for-oil deals with the Saudis for decades. Al Yamamah was the UK’s largest ever export deal.