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No kicking off on this thread!!!

Bear has kindly set up another (non-pub) thread, so that leaves this one free for the Brexiteers!!!

Good speech by Theresa May today - onwards to Brexit 🍻🇬🇧

The EU is not forcing Ireland to do anything. This is a land border with the EU. This is a problem of Brexit's making. The majority in NI did not want this. Demographically, it would take both Unionists and non- Unionists to get a majority in NI on that point. Why? Because they know what a world class mistake it is to mess with GFA and the peace consensus (imperfect as it may be).

User - I am having trouble following your posts and am now somewhat confused. You voted remain, fair enough, then after the event you had some sort of epiphany and joined the brexit arms threads with a fanfare of I was a remainer and now I have seen the light and am a leaver. Your posts of the last few days now leave me feeling I haven’t got a bloody clue where you are coming from. Personally, I do think maybe you should have gone through all this pre June 2016.

Blimey time I actually agree with every word of that

To be fair Bear, I actually agreed with your post a wee while back.

Especially this part:

We might not agree but a lot of us on here have been posting about this subject for nearly 2 years and have been analysing things from day 1.

Although I'd go further - it was from long before the Ref.

Gussy I entirely agree that the issues you describe are entirely a result of the UK referendum outcome and the political interpretation of that outcome. Brexit as being pursued by the UK Govt will result in a breach of the peace agreement/GFA/BA (as readers prefer).

abi the UK has been happily doing arms-for-oil deals with the Saudis for decades. Al Yamamah was the UK’s largest ever export deal.

Agnes, don't be such a wet blanket for morale by pointing out the obvious.

Bloody hell faith, 2 agreements between me Leavers in a row 😂😂😂😂

It happens occasionally bear...!!

Bear in Answer to your 10:32 post see mine at 10:36
I have always said EFTA/EEA for all UK as the only sensible option, if you care to read all my posts on my leaving position.
The likes of Time4 and Faith said they would go for EFTA, but not EEA. To close to FOM. I want EFTA/EEA for us all. Please have the decency to read my posts in full, and not presume my ideas.

I chose remain with the help of much better educated son, after my limited research, so your veiled insult, doesn't help much because it led to me campaigning for remain, with my son, and voting remain.
It just realised I had to respect the choice of my fellow Britons, as that's how I was taught democracy works. Sorry if that's wrong
I now have a much better understanding on EFTA, EEA membership, FTA's WTO and GDP. Sorry if my education on this thread irritates you, but I hope any one else reading my ramblings, may realise there is another way, as I have this last weekend
Sorry, but I can seem to piss off remainers and leavers, so maybe my fairly neutral stance is working

By the way I still believe in my EFTA&EEA solution. Most disagree, Fine my me, I don't need to win any popularity contest, I will never met ant of you in real life, too thick you see

user you are now being more than a little disingenuous.

I did say that I wasn't 100% sure on your current stance, as, and has others have pointed out too, it changes with the wind.

As time said, the time for learning about EFTA, EEA etc was before the referendum, not now.

EFTA and EEA is not a solution that most Leavers agree with because of FOM, and begs the question, what's the point.

user I appreciate your contribution to the debate and your sharing of information that you have sought out. I think you may be more similar to the vast majority of those who voted in the referendum, remain and leave, than most posting on this or other EU ref threads.

I admire your honesty and willingness to review your views based on information.

My own feeling on the EFTA/EEA option is that only EEA presents some solution to the border issue and if that is the case - what is the point to all the cost, division, loss of opportunity? Why not be pragmatic and brave and accept the referendum politically identifies deep concerns for the UK to sort internally but that remaining in the EU is best for the UK currently and in to the future. The choice of what our leaving the EU should look like has been purely a political interpretation by TM and some of her cabinet. And they are not going to achieve the vision they have portrayed to the country.

If you voted Remain why would you need to be clued up on EEA/EFTA before the Referendum?

Surely it’s acceptable to read up on it now as a potential damage limitation option given that May’s government seems to be making a dogs breakfast of everything?

User seriously get a grip of yourself and your insistence on being thick , you are not now and probably never were , your intelligence is not only measured by academic results gained from sitting in a sports hall for a few weeks in May/June when you were a lad

fair point agnes, I'm forgetting user originally voted to Remain.

^^ Lost half that again

But I'd still expect, given he was then converted to Leave, an analysis of the options would have occurred before talkin told him to about 2 weeks ago.

Ok. I now realise that I am not welcome. so thanks and bye.
I try an explain things.
But you carry on fighting, if cared to read back some people get my posts, I happy I help them. The rest I don't care about.
The funny thing is in 2 years, we will leave the EU, and with nowt better then we have now. Because if you had all read Theresa May's speech in full, that's what she admitted.
Sadly for all on here I am so much closer to the 95% of people I meet in RL, than any of the shit I read on here, most people left this behind on 28th of June 2016.
I will join them and 90% of mumsnet and leave you to it.
I will continue my own education on my own, and leave you to insult each other.
I won though, I made Bear and Time4 agree, was always told never stop 2 sister's fighting, they only agree on attacking you, until they go back to kill each other.
Final thought, my police cadet son had a talk on Sunday, by head of anti-terrorism in Yorkshire, he said this
All extremists, which every side they come from, have one thing in common, they hate the other side, but worse they actually hate peacefully people who see both sides as wrong and try and make us better. Only their world view can/is right, that's why most attack normal every day people, because you are what they hate most, total non believers.
I think this thread proves his point, may be you should look in the mirror, not me. I have never insulted either side, been insulted by both and I always apologise too.
Christ and you say your the intelligent ones. I think I stick to the less educated rl friends, who actually care to discuss things openly.

How most of us feel after that.

Ok. I now realise that I am not welcome. so thanks and bye.

There is not one poster who has said you are 'not welcome' - that's a bit of an hysterical overreaction.

People have different opinions & viewpoints - such is life.

I am saddened that user feels he has been made unwelcome. I don't see myself as either Patsy or Edina Surfer.

Agnes - because you look at both sides of the argument, especially if you are on the fence, you do your research and you make a decision before you get to the ballot box. You don’t film flam around afterwards chopping and changing your mind and then getting arsey with people who, somehow, are not understanding where you are coming from. My patience runs thin where that’s concerned.

I’d quite happily be Patsy if it means I can exist solely on Stolly-Bolly

All extremists, which every side they come from, have one thing in common, they hate the other side, but worse they actually hate peacefully people who see both sides as wrong and try and make us better. Only their world view can/is right, that's why most attack normal every day people, because you are what they hate most, total non believers.

Wonderful sentiments, and entirely true wrt extremists.

I think this thread proves his point, may be you should look in the mirror,

It does not prove his point at all, as there is no 'hatred' or 'extremists' (as far as I can tell) wrt the majority of posters on these threads - it is just a bunch of adults who disagree about something which is important to them.

Christ and you say your the intelligent ones.

Nobody has said this. Not once.
The only one who mentions intelligence & education is you.

So now you can’t change your mind if a new set of circumstances presents itself?

I feel exactly like Patsy & Edina Surfer 😂