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No kicking off on this thread!!!

Bear has kindly set up another (non-pub) thread, so that leaves this one free for the Brexiteers!!!

Good speech by Theresa May today - onwards to Brexit 🍻🇬🇧

I've never bothered reporting her so far for the shit she's given me Surfer, but I may start now.

She was particularly nasty to User as well which I objected to and called her out on - but the unfounded calling you a racist was the last straw for me tbh.

I haven’t reported her before, but she’s getting worse, & she’s ruining these threads.
I wish she’d just go away & stop harrasing us, I mean the way she was with you the other night, I’ve never seen anything like it.

Oh dear, how awful.

Indeed, calling out posters for blatant lies is indeed harassment.

Stop 'harrasing'(sic) surferjet and FaithHopeCharityDesperation, you bad, bad poster!!

What is ruining these threads is Leavers complete refusal to engage in discussion and support their comments.

Another thread ruined by Bear who hates liars oh the irony.. Bear can you take a deep breath and just stop for a moment. Consider why you feel the need to pick on posters in this way?

Morning
I have an afternoon off and you all fight,
To be fair to bear, welcome back after your break, hope you enjoyed it , the first mention of any racism/t on the first 19 pages of this interesting thread, to me, I am learning loads researching, , was surferjet's mention of us been a racist country.
Sorry surfer, but I honestly thought we had left that behind, if I didn't know better, I am almost certain you threw that in to goad bear, why?
It's like you want to take it back to throwing insults, when there is no need.

Seems like Leavers love spouting rhetoric in their echo chamber but refuse to engage with any questions.
What about NI border? Apparently they have a cunning plan which won't completely screw up GFA but everyone who isn't a Leave voter is too up their own backside to understand.

Italian elections
I say as an uneducated Holderness dad, who only listens to uk news, and overnight coverage on radio and has standard searches on internet.
But if reading UK press you would think Italy on brink of following us.
But reading other sources so Politico, leLocal, Reuters and just website's linked to Italy, many think EU could end up winning.
Why, the Forca Italia, right wing coalition, under Berlusconi, actually have dropped their anti EU stance. The 5 star movement, changed leader's to Luigi Di Maio, who though repeated in his leadership speech he would vote to leave EU in a referendum, changed his party stance in elections, to not wanting the referendum any more

Many seem to think the vote was away of Italy saying to EU not we want less EU, so following UK, but actually we want more EU, we want you and UK, to do more to deal with immigrant crisis
The average Italian actually likes EU membership, so wants it to do more not less, if that makes sense, so exactly opposite position to UK.
Anyway most think we are months away from a formed government, and could end up back at the polls in less than 2 years.
Again I should point that's just my personal view listening to more European views then UK/US views

Do I think the UK is a racist country ? As a remainer I would have to say no . Is the UK completely free of racism , the answer would be no too . Racism and nationalism are two separate but often interwoven beasts, both are guilty of producing a dialogue of hate .

Consider why you feel the need to pick on posters in this way?

It is not ‘picking on posters’ to challenge comments they make.

It’s the whole point of a discussion thread.

I agree it’s got more ‘intense’ lately but that’s because Leavers seem to have sunk their heads deeper into the sand and are going to greater lengths to avoid discussions; which is odd when you could just avoid the thread.

Whether it’s

• Resorting to stating as fact things which are blatantly untrue and continuing to tout them as fact by insisting people read it / google it
• saying the UK is racist but then not qualifying what was meant by that and who thought that was the case
• simply saying I CBA to snswer a perfectly reasonable an valid question

It’s all just so frustrating. I do think there is a link between this increase in avoidance of discussion and the fact Brexit is not going the way Leavers wanted it to.

Tuesdays Tenacity award goes to Bear

I am sure that some people think the UK is racist

Especially if they have had people being intentionally and unintentionally racist twards them

I don't understand why if someone thinks that the country is racist it makes them racist...that makes no sense to me

It is very British to complain about posters being impolite but totally ignoring the fact that some posters openly refuse to engage in debate, refuse to answer points, refuse to evidence their comments and refuse to simply respond to some points.

We sneer at politicians because they do not debate in an open and honest way and when some posters behave the same way others support them because they are on the same 'side'.

Perhaps we get politicians that reflect society?

I am almost certain you threw that in to goad bear, why?

To goad bear?

Bear wasn't even posting at the time.

Is repeatedly, over days & over threads, calling someone a twat/liar not goading then?

• rhetorical question btw, not requiring of an answer.

This thread was set up as a "safe space" for Leave voters . Tough. You will get challenged. You will get questioned. That's not bullying. If the thread gets heated then that's a shame. But don't expect to avoid questions about this ridiculous path you have sent us down.

UK Racist?
I as a white male, would say not sure, it's no where near as bad as others, but isn't that like saying he/she's not to bad a bully, they only call me names/steal my dinner money, unlike them who hit me
If you ever get the chance, please listen to Sarah Joesph on Chris Evans breakfast show on Radio 2.
If you don't know she is a Muslim converter, over 30 years, from white Christian background. Only last week she described the shocking abuse she has faced/faces for the last 30 years.
So I would say no, Sarah might think differently, she is great though, as she realises it's a minority.
So I think we should never be complacent, and it's not my place as a white man to make the call

faith I have apologised for the word 'twat' but the lying comments still stand in lieu of no evidence to the contrary that you are telling the truth.

It's so annoying you keep using this an excuse. JWIM asked you a perfect valid and polite question and you just said you CBA to answer it.

It doesn't matter if posters are polite or more blunt; you use any tactics you have to avoid questions because you simply don't have the answers.

- Resorting to stating as fact things which are blatantly untrue

I have posted things - it's up to you to take them or leave them. No one is holding a gun to your head insisting you must believe.

and continuing to tout them as fact by insisting people read it / google it

The information is freely available online.
If repeated demands are made for a subject that has been Done. To. Death. previously then I have zero inclination towards doing bespoke legwork for you.

- saying the UK is racist but then not qualifying what was meant by that and who thought that was the case

What does that have to do with you twisting it into a personal attack?

- simply saying I CBA to snswer a perfectly reasonable an valid question

I answered honestly.
I thought Truth Was All! to you?
I couldn't be arsed, so I said exactly that.
I'm allowed, it is not mandatory on MN to respond to demands.

faith I have apologised for the word 'twat'

No you haven't.
In fact I seem to recall you saying you wouldn't apologise.

Happy to be proved wrong though.

I like the idea that Leavers are indifferent and we can take it or leave it (pardon pun). How does that square with the bollocks about it being our patriotic duty to shut up and get behind them.

It doesn't matter if posters are polite or more blunt; you use any tactics you have to avoid questions because you simply don't have the answers.

Not at all - it is because I CBA.
Very straightforward, not too tricky to get your head around.

Good Morning Faith. I am sorry we won't have the benefit of your further thoughts on the technology solution to the border on the island of Ireland.

I did see Daily Politics yesterday and agree with poster above that it made for interesting viewing, nevertheless 'experts' what would they know.

Just to be clear, I don't think that a technological solution addresses the matter of the UK breaching the terms of the peace agreement GFA/BA however you prefer it described. The breach takes place as a result of us leaving the SM and CU - the UK decision. That is a breach of an international treaty - end of. Any attempt to patch over the issues arising from that breach do not, in law, wipe away that breach.

So even if Faith's faith in a technological border comes about to ease border crossing of goods, services and people it does not address the fundamental breach.

Ok Faith,
Why bring it into the thread then, the thread was about, Fta's, Custom union's/agreements, EFTAs and Switzerland and Italy election's
Not one mention of UK racism, Italy yes.
Why do fellow leaver supporters want to fight over stupid points, at this rate you would even get to leave, because the government has no coherent leave strategy, that I can see, and that should be scary to all of us.

Speaking as someone who lives in Italy user that post of yours is a refreshing change from the usual stuff I see here about the view from Italy. Italians are pissed off with the EU - for having to bear the brunt of the immigration crisis alone. And that pissed off-ness at the EU also very much includes the UK and their particularly feeble responses to the situation. Italians are also very pissed off at the decades of corruption and cronyism from their governments. These are major reasons for the resulting anti establishment votes this time. Along with the lack of jobs, economical issues, crumbling infrastructure etc. There is a feeling of some blame towards the euro - but very few people think the solution is to leave it. The ill feeling towards the other here is very much aimed at “extracomunitari” - the “non eu people” which is the insult of choice here. So we have a lot of issues to deal with without joining the UK in their cliff jump. But that doesn’t fit the rhetoric being churned out by the anglophone press in their desperation for their domino effect to happen. Eurosceptic does not equal Ieaving. But again with so many brexiteers convinced that anyone who isn’t with them is blinded by an inability to see the EU and the Euro as anything but utopia this gets missed.

faith I CBA to continue this conversation with you.

You have not proved the specific comments I listed weren't lies, you've just posted more waffle. To support your comments you'd need to:-

• explain 'exactly what the differences between CU and CA are'.
• answer the question JWIM reintegrated about where the technology required for a border in NI exists about how it can be deployed in 13 months

I know you're not going to do this so let's just move on an accept your contributions to this thread doesn't add any value because it doesn't have any basis in reality.