The Brexit Arms

[BrexitArmsLandlady]

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

No kicking off on this thread!!!

Bear has kindly set up another (non-pub) thread, so that leaves this one free for the Brexiteers!!!

Good speech by Theresa May today - onwards to Brexit 🍻🇬🇧

Interested to know what "other ways" are?
Bad enuff if they slap tariffs on my Levis before the UK has left.

howabout
The EU sells to the UK because it makes money doing so.
If there is no FTA they will still sell, but less.
If there is an FTA it will have to be on the EU's terms because (as User showed above), no country has a big enough issue with it to care too deeply.

An example :
Spanish farmer currently grows iceberg lettuces for Tesco.
He grows them for 20p
Shipping costs are 5p
Tesco buy them from him for 30p
And sell them for 50p

After Brexit, assuming no Customs Union
Farmer grows lettuces for 20 p
Shipping to the UK now takes twice as long because of customs clearance AND he has to pay duty at 10.4% (tariff code 070511 here madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.htm
so costs him 15p
But Tesco still only want to pay 30p
leaving him no profit
So instead he sells to the French for 28p
and still makes money - less but some.
Tesco have no lettuces at all though ....

Wasn't Canada explicitly ruled out by Barnier very early on ?

I have a vague memory that the sentiment was stuff that for a game of soldiers, it was bad enough the first time ...

which throws up another oft-ignored fact.

Trade Deals Negotiated 1973-2016

UK: 0, EU: 40+

Or, to put it another way:

you could probably swap the UKs Amercian Football team, and Brexit negotiating team, and have at least the same chance of success.

I see no point to lettuce Talkin. It has taken DH 25 years of married life not to judge me for this cos my French MIL serves it at every meal. My DC all love cabbage which is never anything other than Scottish where I shop. Kale is becoming unreasonably expensive since it became "fashionable".

My slightly flippant way of pointing out that there are quite a lot of things the UK may well choose to no longer import from EU without a FTA.

howabout
I grow more kale than I can eat so that's easy

But if you look at where much of the fresh food in the shops comes from, the UK is in for a VERY nasty shock if there is no FTA.

Fruit, veg, meat, fish, dairy, ready meals : the bulk is imported

Mother the reason there was a discussion about 'semantics' is because talkin was calling me out on my statement about world economies. However she stated a few incorrect statements and throw in the link so having looked at the link we can all see that she is wrong. When we pointed it out she was patronising and rather than checking her facts and looking at fig 6 on her link she resorted to 'No wonder Brexit is buggered when people with such a poor grasp of numbers support it.'

Guess what we can all read and we do read links Mother that was the point.

Ladies, let's stop talking Brexit down and adopt a "global outlook" here. Emperor Xi, trade war monger Trump, and proper war monger Putin eagerly await us with open arms (so to speak)...

doubletrouble
Bog off.
Here is what I wrote - with the numbers (in millions of US$) picked up from that page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_economy under the heading
List of the 25 largest economies by GDP (nominal) at their peak level of GDP in millions US$
Canada GDP 1,842,627 is bigger than South Korea GDP 1,498,074 or Australia GDP 1,509,639 - the UK GDP 3,064,351 is only half again as big as Canada GDP 1,842,627 again
and is a 6th the size of China GDP 11,795,297 or USA GDP 19,417,144 and only 75% of Germany GDP 3,885,440

Meat, fish and dairy we export almost as much as we import and there is a lot of spare capacity on UK farms which the right tweaks to the CAP can address.

F&V is more of a moot point but apart from oranges and bananas most of my shop is UK grown. The oranges and bananas are generally not EU sourced. Scotland is a long way from the channel, so that doubtless makes a difference. No surprise to me that it is Sainsburys who are squealing about this as when I went to see my cousins in Kent even 40 years ago it was obvious they had a different supply chain to the Scottish supermarkets.

howabout
Meat, fish and dairy we export almost as much as we import and there is a lot of spare capacity on UK farms which the right tweaks to the CAP can address.
Yup,
the UK exports millions of pigs feet to China
and masses of offal to the Netherlands to be made into pate
and LOADS of fish - because Brits only want to eat Haddock, cod and Salmon, not razor shells and dory and other ugly fish and shellfish
and huge amounts of chicken feet to the far east
and lots of cream because Brits like skimmed milk
also LOTS of cheap meat is exported to the EU and then returns in the form of ready meals

How exactly will tweaking the CAP bring those products onto UK supermarket shelves ?

Further signs of the US possibly sill being unaware of Brexiters' Global Outlook:

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-05/u-s-said-to-offer-u-k-worse-open-skies-deal-after-brexit

There's probably a lot you can do with chickens' feet, pigs ears, bits of fish wealthier nations don't want. Satisfyingly 'wartime' - we can all enjoy 'pulling together' etc

'Broth' for example. Very Jamie Oliver.

We could use the bits of fish nobody else wants and the cream to make 'mock' things - like the old mock turtle and mock eggs from Lenten periods and fast days. I've got quite a good medieval cook book from the British museum with lots of ideas. I'll take a look.

figment
But the point is that the meat processors get a really good price for those exports
far more than they would making do in the UK

When people sea meat exports they think of whole carcasses, but its not, its small sections each sold to the highest bidder

What's happened to Mummy? The last post I can find for her was last Wednesday morning. She was on here practically night and day before then and didn't mention that she was going on holiday.

I hope she's OK, as I miss her amusing posts and touching faith in the circle squaring abilities of those in charge of Brexit

What do we think of Italy’s election results?

"What do we think of Italy’s election results?"

Putin's useful idiots deliver again.

Italy will be without a government for several months
however unlike the Belgians who lasted 589 days with no government
and the Germans who have just lasted 5 months
the Italians do not have a rock solid bureaucracy to keep everything ticking along while the haggling takes place.
So it will be messy,
but will have no impact on Brexit
as none of the groupings have any interest in leaving the EU

Why does the system of foreign governments (or problems with it) have anything to do with Brexit. Or is the answer "cos they are forrin"?

Because it will impact on the voting patterns of the other EU states when they ratify any trade deal with the UK

and the attitude of Trump to trade has impacted on the global markets for goods

and Xi's new Silk Road is impacting on trade and business and political allegiances around the world

and Putin's troll factories are designed to destabilise Western countries

the UK does not exists in an isolation bubble

as none of the groupings have any interest in leaving the EU

Do you mean the parties that have done rather well in the Italian election?
They’re both Eurosceptic.