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No kicking off on this thread!!!

Bear has kindly set up another (non-pub) thread, so that leaves this one free for the Brexiteers!!!

Good speech by Theresa May today - onwards to Brexit 🍻🇬🇧

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-speech-on-our-future-economic-partnership-with-the-european-union

Little linky to full transcript of TM's speech for clarity

Bear you should really apologise you have been incredibly rude to Faith and whenever you lose an argument your posting descending into a very nasty bullying style. If you cant remain even vaguely polite walk away for a while you are embarrassing

That means the jurisdiction of the ECJ in the UK must end. It also means that the ultimate arbiter of disputes about our future partnership cannot be the court of either party.

Which court is she suggesting would meet the requirement to arbitrate ? She doesn't say ?

The UK has among the highest environmental and animal welfare standards of any nation on earth. As we leave the EU we will uphold environmental standards and go further to protect our shared natural heritage. And I fully expect that our standards will remain at least as high as the EU’s.
But it will be particularly important to secure flexibility here to ensure we can make the most of the opportunities presented by our withdrawal from the EU for our farmers and exporters.

Bit concerned about this bit , is she suggesting that our standards are going to drop ? sounds like it to me .

I would compromise on a way forward that ensured the terms of the peace agreement signed in Belfast were met both politically and economically; that meant we could continue to be a full, participating member of all EU agencies that we would need to ensure seamless trade/transfer of all life saving goods/treatment, to ensure continued full air links to all current destinations, to ensure road transport opportunities continue at the same level of EU licenses; to ensure that we do not pay more for 'access' than we currently pay as a full EU member state taking in to account the rebate.

In the meantime I would suggest the User might want to consider what our current elected Govt has achieved domestically. You rightly are proud and concerned for your immediate and wider family members, of your local Hull community and the greater East Coast area. Teresa May, on taking the Conservative Party leadership spoke of her promise that all Govt decisions would be made giving the greatest weight to the 'just about managing'. Have they done that? Maybe think about Education - has there been more money for struggling schools or has the money just been moved around a bit, so sorting out area A but now leaving Area B a bit short (to become a 'just about managing' area in due course). Has there been any additional money in the Hull area to truly improve training for young people? Your son wants to be a policeman - is recruitment increasing in your area, more police presence? What infrastructure has the Govt started?

These are all matters that directly affect you and the Govt can do something about, have they?

If the deal fails any of her 5 tests what then ?

Third, it must protect people’s jobs and security.

The third test may prove to be a sticking point I think , she doesn't clarify whether she means in the long or short term . I know that there are some Leavers who are comfortable with job losses in return for perceived greater sovereignty ?

Sorry for my posts yesterday
I am sadly resigned to Britain declining and Hull and Holderness dropping further into the shit.
I swapped sides, accepted we had to leave, you don't know how hard it is to drop principles you believe in. Because I had been made to think Britain would improve
That's how leave sold, on buses, advertising boards and in papers. The "cult leaders" have continued selling it for 20 months.
Liam Fox and others spent 2 weeks telling us, we have a great plan
Then Mrs May stands up and admits we won't have cake and eat it, you are get possibly 2/3 of that cake, but don't worry my Brexitter government will get us all a free cherry to put on top of it
Whilst we beg the EU to let us keep things we already have. please note not new things or better things, reduced access to things we already have
FFS, I have been lied to and believe it. That either makes be a twat or a fool, actually both
So if that's what will happen after 2019, count be out, I go and support my Kids through university and hopefully becoming a builder's apprentice.
I really care for my home borough and City, I thought brexit was a future chance. What a twat.
EFTA and EEA gives the opportunities we have now, EFTA members belong to all EU agencies, not as associate members, but fully members who have a say, not rule takers, like May, Johnson, Fox and Davies plan to beg for
It saves NI and even more important for Liam Fox and Surferjet, Faith and Double, if you bothered read FAQ's on EFTA website, before on jumping on my idea, because sounds nice, it clearly says member are able to do deals with other countries on their own
For fucks stake the EFTA had FTA agrees with Sooth Korea and Canada years before the EU.
The EFTA/EEA does exactly what was voted for on 26th June 2016. Plus bonus time it meets 90% of Theresa May's demands in Friday's speech. I don't understand your hatred off it
If I who people on both sides thought was 5 and an uneducated annoyance, can figure this out in 72 hours, why can't Oxbridge PPE graduates
Please instead of the entertaining piss taking on here, spend 30 minutes researching the EFTA, and have the guts to do it with an open mind and you might realise for both sides, Leave and remain it's the only sane way forward.
I lurk for awhile, but right now unlike most fellow leavers on here and 8% more in country I don't feel happy.
WHY? because we are being led down the garden path by charlatans and bloody unthinking donkeys, who care more about their MP and cabinet salaries then Hull, Holderness and my family.
It's no joke

But it will be particularly important to secure flexibility here to ensure we can make the most of the opportunities presented by our withdrawal from the EU for our farmers and exporters.

Bit concerned about this bit , is she suggesting that our standards are going to drop ? sounds like it to me .

This is exactly what TM is saying.

Standards will need drop considerably in order to secure trade deals.

One last thought
The likes of IDS, Patel and JRM are not principled, they have displayed cowardice since 26/6/2016, just like Cameron and Osbourne.
Principled Leaver leaders would be leading the government and standing up for all their believes, not sat on the Backbenches collecting their £76011 salary and expenses, and running to the papers when they don't get their own way.
Ffs stand up and be counted.
If not in 30 years all our kids/grandkids won't respect Politian's, and we will be fighting over it all again.

infinite will not apologise to faith and I'm tired of you playing the bully card. Admittedly you haven't done it for a while, but it's your standard response when you don't like what I say.

I wasn't 'bullying' at all. faith repeatedly make points she can't defend and simply says 'Google it'

She only admitted the lie about blocking people on here as surfer questioned her on it.

She now says it was a joke; I think that's just because she got called out on it.

Anyway, that's not the incidents that are so frustrating.

In the last few days faith has insisted

• there's a fundamental difference between CA and CU
• the technology for a virtual border is operating elsewhere and could be deployed in 13 months

If people are going to post on here, they should be prepared to support their comments otherwise, others will just assume they are more lies.

Last night I was think about this situation. At the time of the vote the main reasons Leavers gave for their choice were either FOM or to not have to abide by the EUs laws.

I guess that's why I'm so frustrated that Leavers have seemingly completely accepted, not only abiding by the EUs laws indefinitely, but having the added disadvantage of having no say in the creation of those laws.

Also, before the vote, there was no downside to leaving, it was all bright and shiny. Now TM admits we'll have less access to each other's markets, new infrastructure will be required and we'll loose passporting. Yet that's all fine with Leavers because the narrative now is, we always knew it would be difficult.

The only red line round here appears to be SM/Cu and that is already decidedly pink; TM has already gone from no to 'a' or 'the' CU to a customs agreement

Since no one can explain the difference, one has to assume it's the same thing with a different name, and not exactly a cunningly different name either.

I'm just incredibly annoyed that Leavers aspirations are seemingly controlled by what TM says we can do rather than what they wanted; every time she speaks it seems you are happy with less and claim you were all along.

A couple more speeches and they'll be noting of Brexit left.

user1471450935
Most politicians are lining their own pockets & protecting their egos. I can only think of one or two politicians who genuinely have ‘the peoples’ interests at heart.

Why do you think the politicians running, & working within the EU are any different?
Do you think Donald Tusk gives a shit about you?
I do think you need to get a grip.
This thread is not run by the government or the EU, no one on here has any influence over Brexit negotiations - we’re just chatting.

even more important for Liam Fox and Surferjet, Faith and Double, if you bothered read FAQ's on EFTA website, before on jumping on my idea, because sounds nice, it clearly says member are able to do deals with other countries on their own
For fucks stake the EFTA had FTA agrees with Sooth Korea and Canada years before the EU.

User, what part of 'I'd be comfortable with EFTA' do you not understand?

Me & others have repeatedly responded to you saying exactly that, and yet you still persist in saying we've dismissed it or mocked it.

Perhaps try to read what other posters are saying?

Please instead of the entertaining piss taking on here, spend 30 minutes researching the EFTA, and have the guts to do it with an open mind and you might realise for both sides, Leave and remain it's the only sane way forward.

Please find one post on this entire thread by any leaver who has dismissed EFTA.

Do you really, really think that in the last 2 years we have not spent (rather more) than 30 mins researching EFTA?

The likes of IDS, Patel and JRM are not principled, they have displayed cowardice since 26/6/2016, just like Cameron and Osbourne.

Bit unfair on Osborne, no ? Did he promise to stay ? He was sacked by Theresa as Chancellor, and decided not to remain an MP.

Personally I think he's done a good job highlighting the duplicity of the Tories in the Standard.

It seems the only leaver principle is leave.

Nothing about trade, foreign policy, standards, laws just leave at all costs.

As long as we leave we will be fine.

Same money paid in, same laws we have to abide by, no seat at the table but we will have left.

She only admitted the lie about blocking people on here as surfer questioned her on it.

It. was. A. Joke.

*In the last few days faith has insisted

• there's a fundamental difference between CA and CU
• the technology for a virtual border is operating elsewhere and could be deployed in 13 months*

And I continue to insist.

faith repeatedly make points she can't defend and simply says 'Google it'

Can defend. Just choose not to go and search for & provide links or explanations for someone who is so obnoxious towards me.

User - I stated my position back on the other threads which you read and acknowledged (and on certain points agreed with). However, now your tone is uncessary and I think you are actually being quite rude (which ironically you accused others of).

This is a forum for chat about Brexit and all manner of other things, in what way do you think anything anyone says on here influences what goes on in the wider world.

The reason you don't like being called a bully is because you are a bully go back to the last thread and just count how many times you called faith a t* on this thread count how many times you've called Faith a liar you are an unpleasant name-calling bully the fact that you don't like being called on it makes a difference. When you're called on your ridiculous posturing and lies you end up reduced to name calling you do it repeatedly Faith not the first poster you've done it to

faith I've tried 'googling it' re CU/CA

I've read the article you kept saying 'read it' about border technology that can be deployed in 13 months.

The answers aren't there because they don't exist

You can call me obnoxious as much as you like as an attempt to deflect from your inability to support your comments; the fact is, if you could support them you would.

I find it astounding that you have no shame in posting as fact, things that are simply untrue.

It makes disccuion impossible.

Just block her Infinite 😂😂

- the technology for a virtual border is operating elsewhere and could be deployed in 13 months

And I continue to insist

Indeed you do Faith even though you are wrong.

infinite, which part of faith lied about blocking posters don't you get.

It's all well and good saying after the event 'it was a joke', it wasn't. She even added that she'd blocked several people when surfer asked how you block people.

I said faith looked a twat for posting things she can't support. I still stand by that comment.

OK the word might be unnecessary and I'll apologise for that, but it is borne of frustration that she has no shame in posting and continuing to defend things that are untrue, cannot be defended.

It’s true Bear.
You really go for the throat where faith is concerned, it’s becoming embarrassing for everyone tbh.
I think you need to take a break from these threads.

When you're called on you're riduculous posturing and lies

Could you point out where I've lied infinite

Also, could you point out where I've lost the argument so reverted to name calling.

My only 'name calling' was because the argument could not continue because of faiths refusal to support the facts her argument was based on.