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No kicking off on this thread!!!

Bear has kindly set up another (non-pub) thread, so that leaves this one free for the Brexiteers!!!

Good speech by Theresa May today - onwards to Brexit 🍻🇬🇧

No, one you had to concede you'd made up and the other you just ignored.

No.

As usual you are incorrect.

I supported both.

RTFT.

*No, one you had to concede you'd made up and the other you just ignored.

No.

As usual you are incorrect.

I supported both.

RTFT.*

Actually, this is incorrect.

I did support the first (blocking) by telling you it was just a joke.

The second I supported explicitly.

faith, you are right back to making a fool of yourself.

You even admitted the blocking posters upon here was untrue.

You wouldn't have done so if you hadn't been questioned on it by me and surfer

Lying about stuff rather undermines your credibility.

Likewise, if you could define how a customs agreement and union differed, you'd do so.

You can't so you refer me to google, which incidentally I tried, and it has no idea either.

faith, you are right back to making a fool of yourself.

You even admitted the blocking posters upon here was untrue.

Yes - I said it was a joke.
After being called a twat repeatedly by you, I joked that I'd blocked you.

You wouldn't have done so if you hadn't been questioned on it by me and surfer

Of course I would - it was a joke.
It was patently obvious that I couldn't block you, as MN doesn't have a block function.

Lying about stuff rather undermines your credibility.

it was a joke.

Likewise, if you could define how a customs agreement and union differed, you'd do so.

I know exactly how they differ, because I can read. All the information you require is freely available on the internet. Search information out for yourself instead of demanding that other people spoonfeed you.

You can't so you refer me to google, which incidentally I tried, and it has no idea either.

There is a wealth of information regarding this online.

So, a great big post but you still can't tell me how a CU and a CA differ in real terms

Google it.

of course I would - it was a joke.
It was patently obvious that I couldn't block you, as MN doesn't have a block function.

No it wasn't a joke. You even said you'd blocked a few people.

Then you realised it wasn't possible so back tracked- oh hang on, that's sounding quite familiar,

I've tried googling faith, nothing comes up

So it looks like you are the only person who knows.

No it wasn't a joke. You even said you'd blocked a few people.

It. Was. A. Joke.

Because I was fed up with being called a twat by you, repeatedly.

Which leads me onto a top tip:

If you want people to answer your incessant questions in a fulsome manner, or find links for you etc - don't call them names.

Ah, so we’re back to focusing on name calling from days ago (which wasn’t actually name calling as you did make a twat of yourself then and still have not supported the comment about where the technology for a virtual border exists now- it was yet another ‘read it’h) in order to avoid the fact you can’t support your comments about a CU and CA being fundamentally different.

Surprise surprise.

Sweet dreams.

I hope FHCD's pants haven't caught fire

One last try, before going to bed. What principle position/stance do my fellow leaver's believe in and want/can see make post EU Britain better. I can wait 24/48 hours for answers

BY THE WAY, AS LONG AS WE LIVE THE EU DOESN'T COUNT. My 8 year nephew can make that argument thanks. I want plans how our great 4 home nations can be improved. That's why you all voted leave after all. I back EFTA, IMO I would look at EEA for Ireland.

Remainers, you don't get off either, I want what compromise you could live with. NO STAYING IN EU ISN'T OPTION HAS WE WON'T
If none of you can I think I going to leave, as you have all depressed me. If we can't come up with a principle position/stance to fight for in upcoming UK/EU talks, we as a country are truely fucked if you in trying to defend half heart/ wishy washy ideals
like I am okay with that as long as we leave/have left The EU will ripe us to piece's
Right now I would quite happy go to Brussels on Monday sit down with Mr Tusk and Barnier and say I want us to leave but on EFTA terms and if joining EEA safes GFA and Irish border let's talk.
Plus come back and sell it to Parliament and the sodding media/public
That's how much I believe in it
So come think, what is yours and is there a British Politian who could do that on Monday in either the Tories or Labour
Britain needs a strong principled leader with a principled stance, not our wishy washy we want to leave, but not sure how
We are better than that. I have 2 O levels, level 2 function maths and english and no degree. If I can produce a policy I would defend to my political death; why can't Brexitters after 40 years of campaigning

Can you lay off faith please, she’s a fantastic contributor to these threads.
The blocking thing was clearly a joke.

Bear this article might help if you haven’t found it already:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/01/customs-union-brexit-trade-turkey

A customs union is an agreement between countries to eliminate customs duties.

Customs union / customs agreement is semantics.

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/637748/Future_customs_arrangements_-_a_future_partnership_paper.pdf

This is the government paper dated Aug 17. Warning ⚠️ it does contain the words “deep and special partnership” more than once!!

Thanks Surfer 🍷

User, I can only speak for myself.

Liam Fox's speech the other day is where I want our future to be - to get there may take some time, I accept this.

CU & SM membership are not a good fit for me, as they still require ceding too much sovereignty, FoM to continue & no freedom to make independent trade deals.

EEA can be applied for if member of EFTA. I do not want this as too much sovereignty conceded & FoM continues.

EFTA I am comfortable with.

The NI border can be resolved via a comprehensive FTA with the EU, the continuation of CTA & utilising the (already existing) technology.

I'm with Faith on this User. Liam Fox stated exactly where I want us to be as far as trade is concerned. As for being a member of the EU Customs union as apposed to having a customs agreement. The customs union, of which Turkey is a part is of no use to us as you can only agree separate trade deals with third countries on any goods you do not have a trade agreement with the EU on. We want complete freedom to do our own trade deals on what ever we want with whom ever we want. Thus we want a bespoke customs agreement.

Liam Fox will sign trade deals but these will come at the price of privatisation of the NHS and significant lowering of the UK's environmental and safety standards.

The vast majority of people in the UK will pay a huge price in terms of poorer health and expensive healthcare.

A tiny wealthy minority will gain significantly and be even better off.

Faith says thst "The NI border can be resolved via a comprehensive FTA with the EU, the continuation of CTA & utilising the (already existing) technology."

This what an expert that actually understands the border says:

Slide 1

Here is a very simple outline of what border controls mean for different types of border with the EU, i.e. if in the EEA, if in a Customs Union, with a FTA, with nowt. The spectrum is vast. This is just the basics, with a focus on goods. t.co/etGXgOUUe7

Link to full thread:
twitter.com/hayward_katy/status/969961465233989632?s=19

Slide 2:
This, again, is a simple outline of what a customs border requires, both for those moving goods across it and for those charged with enforcing it.
It is intended to show that a 'hard border' is not just determined by its visibility. And this is before we even touch on NTBs etc. t.co/zGOdhTCHRl

Slide 3:
Here we have a very basic outline of what 'smart border technology' can do and what it requires.
It is primarily a means of enhancing efficiency.
It cannot make a hard border 'frictionless'.
It requires physical infrastructure. It does not obviate the need for inspections etc t.co/Vxo4iW0XKl

Slide 4:
And here are, as I see it, the main scenarios we are looking at for UK/EU borders post-Brexit + a summary of what each would mean for GB/NI & NI/IRL borders.

IMO the draft Protocol is narrow interpretation of Joint Report.
UK in a CU wd be minimum to keep E/W open as possible. t.co/7R6g73AkFv

In sum: a customs border is a big deal. No technology can magic away that fact.

Any solution relies on a clear distinction between constitutional/political borders & economic/regulatory ones.

[Each of those slides is deliberately simple but let me know of any glaring errors!]

That kind of was my point User , things get heated on here and I vehemently disagree with people who voted leave and what that vote means for the future prosperity of the whole of the UK .
I do not however, hate anybody on here , not that I think they would be in the slightest bit bothered either way . I am big , ugly and old enough not to care if they don't like me . I do however endeavour to be polite , I will admit to the occasional slip up

Thank you Kofa for the slides , succinct and educational