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This may be the last Brexit Arms thread that I will host.

It was intended to be a non-partisan and relatively light hearted thread for posters on both sides of the divide, but unfortunately this seems to have proved impossible so far.

It is not supposed to be a place for the disgruntled Remainer to use as an outlet to abuse and kick out at their perceived enemy.

I will give it one last go in the hope that things will change.

So.... onwards to Brexit....

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But we where worst bombed City outside London, never admitted by wartime government,
THat will be news to Coventry, Southampton and various others

If you keep looking backwards you will walk into a wall
You have to look forwards and start from where you are

Hull fishermen had wiped out their stocks before the EU
The port never reinvented itself
people with no work should up sticks

Deliberately missing the point user. Hull was not the only northern city to suffer hardship. You should blame the British government for not identifying declining industries and asking themselves how they can assist the people living there.

Liverpool was actually the worst bombed city outside of London.

www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-blitz-around-britain

Ghost,
Sorry but that links bullshit,
my mother was bombed out of her home in 1940
My great aunt lost family in 1940 too.
We had more tonnage dropped on us than anywhere else, but London, joys of been on flight path to rest north. We where also last City to be bombed, it is all in living memory.
But once again we weren't sexy enough to make the headlines like Coventry. We have just got used to it, we are stoic, if nothing else.
65% of Hull city centre car parks where provided by Hilter's bombing.
Yes we really have been left behind.

Sorry but that links bullshit,

That link is the Imperial War Museum.

But once again we weren't sexy enough to make the headlines like Coventry

No disrespect to Coventry but I don;t think its ever been described as sexy.

Brexiteers and there alternative facts

User
You are seriously saying that you know better than the Imperial War Museum
blimey
We had more tonnage dropped on us than anywhere else, but London, joys of been on flight path to rest north. We where also last City to be bombed, it is all in living memory.
Do you have links for ANY of that?
As the raid dates and maps are all in the public domain ....

@user1471450935

Will you stop playing their game.

The North - all of it - was treated like crap in the 1980s. As was Wales, Scotland and Cornwall....

By arguing which northern city was worst hit you are not pointing at the true culprit - Thatcher.

Brexit is just the same put up a straw man to throw bricks at - the EU - you avoid looking a the real culprits who are a succession of British governments.

Yet you couldn't actually outline what the points you were willing to compromise on were could you faith

And yet I did.
On the previous thread, or the one before, or the Leavers Lagoon thread - I don't remember exactly where/when, but I did.

If you're really that interested then search for it.

*Very simply, In essay subjects teacher use a basic formula

Point - make you point

Evidence - prove your point, provide a quote or a statistic

Explain - explain the details of your argument.

This is the basis and the basic structure of a good argument.

Leaving out the evidence invalidates the whole argument. Unfortunately, most Brexit supporters would not be getting more than a 2 in the new GCSEs as they refuse to evidence their arguments.*

What part of 'lighthearted pub thread' did you misunderstand?
That's a 'Fail' for your comprehension skills right there.

Regarding the Hull bombing

I just read an article in the telegraph about Hull being the most bombed

Apparently Hull was really easy for the bombers to find

Not about to get into a debate over it

faithhope
You want to keep it light hearted because you have no facts.

We are heavy hearted because we deal with the facts.

User147 seems to be rewriting WW2 history at the moment after all

Rufus
I use the IWM data
Here in Southampton the two rivers make a neat arrow pointing at the docks - they got utterly pasted
Here is the map
www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2010/11/mapping-the-southampton-blitz-70-years-on/

*Regarding Hull
*
I just happened to notice comments about the North East and Hull in particular.

Being born in Hull I love it and always notice when it or the East Riding is mentioned.

The following are examples of EU funding in the North East.

I do think Hull did not benefit as much as other parts of the North East, such as Newcastle, Durham and Sunderland generally .

However surely when you voting you balance benefits for your region, and the country as a whole.

Yorkshire and Humber in particular received £747m (979m euros) from the EU between 2007 and 2013- ( See Sheffield Political Economy Research Institute .) The region could have and should have applied for and pushed for more in the future.

York University got the single biggest grant for a new building, with the EU providing £19m towards a new science park.

Some £30m was spent on the roll-out of broadband across the region.

2007-2013 the North East also received:
• £195.4 million in EU Social Fund grants plus
• £296.8 million in European Regional Development Fund grants.

Between 2014-2020 the NE was earmarked to get a further £606m (794m euros).

Other specific NE examples include... EU Social Fund and ERDF projects:

1.	SFA Gateshead College £10,753,750
2.	SFA New College Durham £8,557,950
3.	Working Links £8,000,000
4.	National Offender Management Pertemps People Development Group £7,911,214
5.	SFA New College Durham £7,492,740

6.	Screen Yorkshire  secured a further £7.5 million from the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) to invest in Yorkshire-based film, television and digital content. 
7.	Newcastle University- cross-European consortium of nine centres as part of a £4.6 million project, funded by EU grants, to develop better diagnostic tests and treatments for liver disease.
8.	Portobello Trade Park in Durham - financed with £2.7m in ERDF funding
9.	Consett Business Park in Durham received £1.1m in ERDF funding.
10.	The Core, Newcastle – Science Central, for high growth technology and science-based businesses - £5.6m European Regional Development Fund.
11.	The Sage Gateshead -EU contribution of £5.6m.
12.	Another £2.5m from the EU for “Quays visitor infrastructure”, including site preparation.
13.	The Gateshead Millennium Bridge -over the r Tyne received £2m in EU cash.
14.	The Toffee Factory Newcastle – refurbishment of the former ‘Maynard Toffee Factory’ into office space for a range of digital and creative businesses.

15.Live Theatre Liveworks - construction of a four-floor business centre within the Newcastle’s quayside -£2.5m from the EU.
16.The regeneration of a 660-hectare area on the River Tyne North Bank benefitted from £2.48m in ERDF funding.
17. The Beacon – an enterprise hub created to address economic needs in the West End of Newcastle - £2.4m.
18. Newcastle Science City —Innovation Machine’ identifying technology and science applications development - £2.28m.
19. Newcastle University Translational Research Building – a new building located on the Campus providing space for clinicians, academics and commercial companies to bring together industry projects and academic research - £1.8m.
20. The River Tyne Energy and Innovation Centre received £1m from the EU.
21. The EU gave £7.8m to fund a low carbon enterprise zone at Swan Hunter Ship Yard in North Tyneside.
22. Tyne and Wear Metro’s Simonside station cost £3.2 million- part funded by the ERDF
23. The Angel of the North - cost £800,000, of which £150,000 was Euro cash.
24. Portobello Trade Park in Durham - £2.7m.
25. Consett Business Park in Durham - £1.1m.
26. Sunderland Software Centre received £4.4m in ERDF funding
27. Washington Business Centre, run by Sunderland City Council, received £3.4m in ERDF funding
28. The University of Sunderland got £1.3m from the EU to help fund internships and placements in local small and medium sized businesses.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/eu-referendum-north-east-buildings-11127331

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/what-european-union-ever-done-11480870

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/andrew-vine-what-the-eu-has-done-for-yorkshire-1-7972455

https://www.screenyorkshire.co.uk/screen-yorkshire-secures-additional-7-5-million/

Like i said talkin

Not debating it

you and i dont live very far apart

But i googled hull and bombings and a few things came up...just felt it was fairer to mention it

Hull got pasted. ~ But Hull has had a tonne of EU money thrown at it
Liverpool got pasted. ~ And got a tonne of EU money
Southampton got pasted ~ and didn't
London got pasted ~ and didn't

The EU put money where the Tories wouldn't
and after Brexit there will be no Tory money and no EU money
just saying

@FaithHopeCharityDesperation

That was a very, very basic grade 1 type explanation of Point, Evidence, Explain.

When it's taught it is explained to students they can use this skill in every day life. This is not grade 9 or A level style analysis. It is a basic technique. The kind of technique you could use in a simple conversation or debate.

You make a point, you evidence it then you explain it.

I don't work in primary schools but I would imagine they teach a version of it.

The EU put money where the Tories wouldn't and after Brexit there will be no Tory money and no EU money just saying

Well yes...

rufus
User147 seems to think that Brexit will magically make Hull rich and busy again.
But as is slowly dawning on Wales and Cornwall and the North East
most of the capital investment they have had in recent years came despite the UK government, not because of it

Sorry,
If I was rude, but there a real injustice felt in Hull, that our sacrifice's in Britain's blitz was totally ignored/played down by the government of the time and every government since.
We where just a "northern fishing port", any one, nightly reported, but every one else thought it was different ports each night. Great.
Was years later government finally admitted it. Link not sure, every one from Hull since WW2 is told this story, Hull was hit harder then most places, but it was kept secret, to boost national moral.
Didn't do much for Hull, also good excuse not to invest when everywhere else was hit harder.
Would it have acceptable not to mention Coventry, Southampton or Liverpool, of course not. But we where abandoned, as shown by everyone on this thread lack of knowledge of Hull's plight.
But most on here readily admit to not caring about us in 2018, so nothing changes 1940, I get it was war, we took one for the team, sorry 1980 and since, no thanks, we deserve better. Most in Hull think it can't be worse than last 78 years
I think I agree

talkin

I was like this about wales

Couldn't believe it!!

Link not sure, every one from Hull since WW2 is told this story, Hull was hit harder then most places, but it was kept secret, to boost national moral.
does not make it true
and frankly, having a massive chip on your shoulder about it will not make things better

What POSITIVE changes do you expect from a Tory or Labour Government after Brexit ?

as shown by everyone on this thread lack of knowledge of Hull's plight

Oh dont talk bollocks...bet you are not an expert in Southamptons plight

And google for Gods sake!! Even the BBC says hull was 2nd after London ( not that the BBC is very good with facts)

Talkin;
If you ignore history, you are condemned to live it again, someone once said. Sadly Hull has.
Lonelyplanetmum's list of 28 EU funded projects, all in north east, we are in Yorkshire, Leeds, Bradford and Sheffield have had millions, but we haven't.
But then again New Labour and John Prescott did fuck all for Hull.
At the present government has given us City Of Culture and invested and backed Siemens and co, so yes since Brexit, Hull has been on the up, Whoopee

"since Brexit, Hull has been on the up, Whoopee"

@user, I'm saddened by having to correct you on this basic point: we haven't left yet.

Also not sure your story, fundamentally flawed as it is, even checks out on a basic level:

www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/business/unemployment-hull-east-yorkshire-rises-1117128

It's never pleasant to point out the obvious to the conned, who obviously wish they weren't.

faithhope
You want to keep it light hearted because you have no facts.

No, I just want to keep it lighthearted because it is a lighthearted pub thread.

We are heavy hearted because we deal with the facts.

So start up your own heavy hearted facts-based thread then,