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This may be the last Brexit Arms thread that I will host.

It was intended to be a non-partisan and relatively light hearted thread for posters on both sides of the divide, but unfortunately this seems to have proved impossible so far.

It is not supposed to be a place for the disgruntled Remainer to use as an outlet to abuse and kick out at their perceived enemy.

I will give it one last go in the hope that things will change.

So.... onwards to Brexit....

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sorry Rufus
But Talkinpeace accused me of rewriting history, and earlier advised me to piss off from living in Hull, because we are in the north, Bear said no gives a fuck about Hull.
Sorry, but I know Southampton was bombed heavily, as was London, Coventry, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Because I studied History at school, I didn't need the IWM to tell me anything of them, but you had to google Hull.
Maybe I should tell you and Talkin to leave Southampton, but no one every does. If you lot don't know Hull was heavily bombed, how are you going to make us feel apart of your country. Sadly it is this ignorance and arrogance, which lead to today's situation, because Hull and its surrounds voted 66% leave, if we hadn't you might of won.

Londonmum,
Yes I know, but if you read our local paper's full story, it says there are more job vacancies in Hull, then newly unemployed.
Unemployment has dropped 59% in last five years, and we have all this new investment.
For the first time in a generation, people in Hull feel we are improving.
Sorry but we had it bad for generations, now feels good.
But we aren't London so it will take time, when you have waited 40 years, you'll wait a couple more.

Faith,
Isn't the Westministenders for fact based discussions,
I try with Hull history and none of them want to listen.
Give small positives/feel good factors and they just fire back more negative ones.
I tried to discuss Labour's policy, no one replied.
seems only leavers need answers, it bloody tiring
I think I stick to Jokes, flags and kitten/puppy pictures it is so much easier.
Don't know how you, mummy and surferjet have managed it for so long. Maybe we should just say let's remain. NOT.

If you lot don't know Hull was heavily bombed, how are you going to make us feel apart of your country

Hull was not unique in being heavily bombed. Clydebank was completely decimated in March 1941, and was reported only as "a town in western Scotland".

But being Scotland, which voted Remain, it probably doesn't count.

I am perfectly happy to discuss Labour's Brexit policy, in a nutshell it is almost as bad as the Tory's but it is less vague and a little more aware of issues.
Leavers should have answers they thought this was the way to go, one of the reasons I think it is a terrible idea is because I cannot see any good answers to the issues and never have. I am struggling to see how anything will be BETTER post Brexit. The fact that leavers think cute kitten pictures are the answer suggests they cannot either.

Faith,
Isn't the Westministenders for fact based discussions,

I thought so, yes.

But as Leavers are few & far between on those threads, the MN remoaner posse prefer to stomp all over these threads instead - venting their still-burning rage about not getting the result they wanted.

Unemployment has dropped 59% in last five years, and we have all this new investment.

@user please correct me if I'm wrong but we've been in the EU for the past 5 years?

I know people were accusing you of rewriting history

Which is exactly why i said what i said and agreed that there were various links that said HUll was indeed the 2nd worst city bombed

I try with Hull history and none of them want to listen.

Dont lie about me

And i dont live in Southampton...my entire family is from Liverpool another port heavily bombed and the area where i live at the momnet voted very very heavily to leave

At least i cant say i didnt try...

And the award for most heavily bombed city in WW2 goes to....

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Dresden

Actually it was Hamburg, but more people know about the Dresden firestorm.

There a few places in Japan that didn't do so well in WW2 as well. They seem to have recovered quiet well - because of the policies of their governments who didn't abandon them.

Yes its was mousse that was ripped apart

Ive actually heard it all on this board

Apparently if you cant remember the exact order of the worst bombed cities in the UK (although you agree that a number of cities were very badly hit) then that makes you wrong as well

I don't remember much school from 30 years ago let alone the order of the top five most bombed cities

User is obviously very passionate about his area and how it has been 'left behind'.
Having caught up with the thread I can see that one of the main problems that the EU inflicted on Hull was the policy of designating certain other areas in the UK as deprived areas and giving businesses incentives to more there. That would have been fine were it not for the fact that they moved from already deprived areas, scooping up the grants but leaving populations devastated.

Sorry agnes

Not ignoring your point about scotland, my brother was born there and we lived in Moray for the first 5 years of his life

Still some relatives there as well

@Doubletrouble99

"I can see that one of the main problems that the EU inflicted on Hull was the policy of designating certain other areas in the UK as deprived areas and giving businesses incentives to more there"

Source? ESI funds are managed by member states. Sounds like another blatant attempt to blame the EU for something the UK government has actually been responsible.

According to the Telegraph:

The EU allocates the funds to each European nation to support sustainable economic development and reduce regional wealth disparities.

A total of €10.9bn (£8.4bn) was awarded to Britain for the period 2014-20, and the government allocated the money based on an equality assessment.

The assessments were influenced by the GDP of local areas, as well as the proportion of people who are unemployed or claiming incapacity benefit.

So you should be blaming the UK Government, not the EU, for how the funds were distributed.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/01/mapped-where-in-the-uk-receives-most-eu-funding-and-how-does-thi/

Parliament also produced a list of ERDF funded projects for 2007-13, which includes several in the Humber area:

www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-question/Commons/2015-12-15/20288/

A further £80 million of EU funding was available in the 2014-2020 period:

humberbusiness.com/news/is-80m-of-european-funding-for/story-2228-detail/story

I don't remember much school from 30 years ago let alone the order of the top five most bombed cities

It wasn't taught when I was at school - even when I did History O Level.

However, the BBC recently tried to educate us.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09gt9w0

I wonder how many people here bothered to watch ? They covered London, Hull, Clydebank, and Bristol.

I am well aware that the British Government would have decided which areas would benefit from the funding. However surely the EU would have decided on the parameters of the grants. I very much doubt that the UK could have put in additional stipulations such as only businesses from 'wealthy areas' or other EU countries can take up the offer of a grant.

These threads are getting really boring now.

These threads are getting really boring now.

Source?

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Exciting times. Our European neighbours will be our friends again eventually.

We will return to our global trading roots, and make deals around the world and strength our economy further

We will consolidate the immigrants that are here already, offering them the kind of life they moved here for rather than over crowed schools, hospitals etc.

A considered and controlled intake of future workers covering sectors where they are needed will be in place.

A balanced and open relationship with the EU (if they are fair and decent during the talks)

Realignment of values and what it means to be British in the 21st century.

A country that finally takes its place on the world stage with it's own laws and own borders making its own decisions.

Uh oh......we have another lamb for the slaughter.

You are of course right rocketgirl22 - but the remainers of MN only deal in misery & disaster.

@surferjet Kind of. Mainly a perpetual demonstration of Leavers' inability to respond to basic questions and challenges, dotted with bouts of insulting rants and nursery-level remarks, with the occasional spectacular display of delusional mania (@rocketgirl22).

The EU sets requirements that projects must meet to qualify for funding (such as supporting SMEs, the digital economy, low carbon development etc) and parameters for selecting areas for funding:

Funding is allocated across three types of regions, according to how their GDP per person compares with the EU average.

Of the 34 regions across the UK, 22 are classified as ‘more developed’, 10 as ‘transition’ and only two as ‘less developed’ (Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly and West Wales and the Valleys).

The Humber area would be classified as a transition area.

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7847/CBP-7847.pdf