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This may be the last Brexit Arms thread that I will host.

It was intended to be a non-partisan and relatively light hearted thread for posters on both sides of the divide, but unfortunately this seems to have proved impossible so far.

It is not supposed to be a place for the disgruntled Remainer to use as an outlet to abuse and kick out at their perceived enemy.

I will give it one last go in the hope that things will change.

So.... onwards to Brexit....

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Yes Sunday, it also mentions all the other things that are used elsewhere wrt movement of people etc.

There is no example currently of a completely integrated set up, but all the elements required are available.

It just needs all the elements joined up.

or shut up about it.

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It's not me who won't shut up about it!!

I'm answering posts directed at me, that's all.

If you want to order people to 'shut up', then I suggest you direct it elsewhere, because all you'll get back from me is a 'fuck off'.

faith Do you even question yourself?

Do you honestly go to bed at night think you defended your position well?

You've made an almighty twat of yourself tonight.

All this 'read it for yourself' is pitiful.

There is no technological solution which could be implemented in 13months.

We CANNOT leave the SM/CU.

It's just a matter of time before you accept that.

Do you honestly go to bed at night think you defended your position well?

I go to bed at night not giving a crap about the bollocks you & your pals rant about.

I go to bed at night not giving a second thought to these threads.

My life does not revolve around Brexit - I pop onto MN when I'm actively skiving stuff, it is not an essential part of my life

You've made an almighty twat of yourself tonight.

Yes Bear, you have.

I’m actually crying with laughter at bears posts - she has to be taking the piss surely?

I am getting more worried about Brexit, having tried hard to be positive.

Talkin,
Sorry you may have moved on. Day off, so other things to do. Will read more in morning.
At 1441 today, you mentioned a Hull fish merchant. Can I ask was he based in Hull, just we lost our fish market. It's now a distrubtion centre for local abbaitor company.
So all wet/frozen fish goes to Grimsby.
Shellfish/crabs and sea bass still landed Bridlington, Hornsea and Withernsea.
I know over 70% goes to main land Europe
But wet/frozen fish is 70/80% from Iceland and Norway. Which still isn't to popular with older Hullions. cold wars
But they are both EFTA agnes said and think said have local agreements.
So wonder if it the sheelfish issue.
Know merchants tended to vote remain and actual fishermen leave.
So a divided industry. Bit like rest of country.

Sorry another question
If we had a EFTA atyle agreement
Could agnes or talkin confirm if we could then done our own FT deals with other countries or are we tied to EU tariffs and only their deals.
Bear would a loose EFTA agreement satisfy the Irish issue? Geninue question.
Would we be tied to FOM and scheneign rules too.

And you still haven't told me who the idiots in Brussels are.....

Is that to me?
I didn't say there^^ were idiots in Brussels.

(I think there are idiots in Brussels, but I didn't say that on here)

user EFTA / EEA members can negotiate their own trade agreements outwith the EU - it have currently has 27 free trade agreements.

www.efta.int/free-trade/free-trade-agreements

Beleive we will have to wsit to see what Mrs May says tomorrow. Not seen any news today, so looking forward to it.
Though for likes of bear and her BINO, I think she is the wrong PM for that. Too linked to remain. It need to come from a leave PM.
So think us who believe leaving will happen, can look to her speech for clarity.
I will try and catch it and look for everyones thoughts. May add to. Or ask daft questions if it gets to technical.

Oops, an extra ‘have’ crept in there.

Yes to freedom of movement but I don’t see that the UK would need to join Schengen (CTA covers UK and Ireland).

*Oh sorry, you're right you are saying remainers are Brussels idiots.

What a surprise.*

What a surprise that you misread my post?

Not really - it's par for the course on here.

But thanks for the apology though.

Thanks agnes.
Do you think its a starting point for a future Britain EU deal. But more bespoke. So still carrying forward exceptions we had and agreeing access to certain key industry, but not others.
a sort of save face deal for both sides, which seems to be the go to in all international treaty deals lstely.
I am think we opt out of FOM.and borderless controls, but we still continue to pay for cars/finanacial access. Then do trade deals with Liam Fox's 21 nations.
I think as a newly converter leaver I could live with that, given the right circumstances
Thougts welcome

I think EEA/EFTA could work (the UK is a member of EEA and should be able to join EFTA), but FoM would have to stay. EFTA has the benefit of not coming under the ECJ, which should satisfy Brexiteers, as it has its own EFTA court. There is still the problem of not being in the customs union, which would still mean a border of some type on the island of Ireland (as there is between Norway and Sweden).

What it says, is that all the technology exists already, is being used in various ways, in different countries, in different combinations - and it's about bringing it all together in an integrated & novel way.

It is bizarre to me that there are so many people out there who have such dogmatic & plodding approaches to things that they shrink away from innovation.

The UK is a country that grinds to a screeching halt when faced with the kind of snow that many other places live and function well with all winter every winter. Universal Credit has been rolling out and causing chaos and immense suffering to citizens everywhere it has been established. The government itself only recently - years after it should have - sat down to discuss exactly what sort of Brexit the UK wants, and it came up with suggestions that the EU has told it since the referendum are not feasible.

Yet you ask sane, sensible people to believe that an unusual situation will be dealt with in a novel and effective way, under the direction of a government that frankly could not organise a dog fight?

Admit it, there are integrated and novel unicorns involved in the solution to this self inflicted massive problem, aren't there?

Day 3 of snow here math, let me assure you we cope but we can't afford or justify spending extortionate amounts on the mechanism to combat any possible weather scenario when this is a once in a generation thing.
I don't think the border solution has to be up and running in a year. I think they will try and faze it in in the transition period.

That's my picnic bench and BBQ under 2ft of snow by the way and was taken at 8am Thurs. much more now!

If by 'cope' you mean most of you will live through it, fine.

If you mean schools having considered the possibility of winter weather interfering with attendance and having some sort of system in place like we have here, with a ticker on the TV news listing school closures the night before, and an automated phone system from school calling over 2000 families to inform the night before of school closing, and a website parents can consult to check if their school is closed the following day, then I don't think so.

I am not talking here about snow ploughs or stockpiles of road salt or rail networks looking into ways of keeping trains running.

There can never be a border solution apart from continuing membership of the SM and CU for NI. No other solution could possibly work. Vans and trucks could be carrying anything or anyone besides what they had declared online in a frictionless online registration of goods scenario. Cars ditto.

There is currently a huge amount of trafficking of people and drugs across a heavily manned border between the US and Mexico. Even in days gone by with NI border patrols out the wazoo, there was a huge amount of smuggling across the border.

Smuggling is done by criminals as well as by individual consumers. Criminal gangs got unfathomably rich through smuggling in the good old days that nobody wants to return to. Paramilitary outfits financed operations by smuggling, among other means. This is why nobody wants a border and why the GFA was so welcomed by so many people.

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Smugglers got past all of this.

Agnes Thanks for your EFTA insights, most helpful.
Maths completely agree with DoubleTrouble about snow/bad weather and Uk ability to deal with it. Lived in Holderness for 48 years, can only remember weather like this 3/4 times before, 1983/7 and 1996/7 stand out. Wife has cousins in London , Ontario, they get it yearly, and own their owned tracked snow blower. That's the difference if we do get snow it's usually over in most 24 hours. Also the snow has hit areas not usually heavily hit.

Believe Mrs May speech starts around 1330, and let's see.
On way to work at 0430, BBC seem to think lots of talk of free trade, and very slow divergence from EU rules, member/associate member of European bodies and a joint grievance process, with both UK and EU court oversight.
Will she be looking for a glorified, UK bespoke version of EFTA for her free trade agreement.
Not sure that's acceptable to either side. She hopes to unite both sides of debate and take both side's views on way forward. To unite divided Britain. I wonder if she will unite us by upsetting both Leavers and Remainers

Faith makes me chuckle , I know that they infuriate others , but I honestly don't think they care about Brexit one way or the other , I think they enjoy the sport of the argument on here. Perhaps we all do to a certain extent ?