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This may be the last Brexit Arms thread that I will host.

It was intended to be a non-partisan and relatively light hearted thread for posters on both sides of the divide, but unfortunately this seems to have proved impossible so far.

It is not supposed to be a place for the disgruntled Remainer to use as an outlet to abuse and kick out at their perceived enemy.

I will give it one last go in the hope that things will change.

So.... onwards to Brexit....

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Talkin.
Google search, says government changes procurement guidance so UK steel should be used in Uk infrastructure projects. That's 2016.
Thought recent meeting was looking at taking it further when we leave?
I only knew as I follow local Look North programme, which covers Scunthorpe.
Also offshore wind is massive for us, Grimsby has a link to a Bedford site? in USA, talk of trying to do similar deals outside Eu, thanks to city of culture we in Hull have loads of new starts in Digital technologies, which can work with anywhere, via internet, local KCom investing £85 million on superfast broadband, to encourage this, not sure if leaving EU will effect it.

*Meanwhile former World Trade Organisation chief Pascal Lamy argued that whatever Brexit option was chosen "will necessitate a border" between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

"There will have to be a border", he told the Commons Brexit committee, because checks will have to be carried out on goods and people.*

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43204460

So it's not just an issue for the UK/EU. Even under the fabled "WTO rules" this problem would remain. Corbyn's "a" customs union still wouldn't solve this riddle.

It is, and it does not support your assertion.

It does.

Talkin - Liam Fox used the illustration of the export beer and other drinks to South Korea as an example. Pre the EU free trade deal we exported about £2m worth to them then after it we now export £90m worth. So the % increase in trade with a free trade deal can be massive. There are loads of things we make that we could export to countries as the become more affluent. Prestige cars, high tech items, machinery, Whisky, Quality Fashion, pharmaceuticals, even Jam and high quality steel apparently!!

But if we stay in the EU, is it going to be better, Hull was dying, had been since loss of fishing, protectionism didn't do Norway/ Iceland's fishing industry much harm, most of fish landed at Grimsby, Hull's fish market shut this decade, comes from Iceland/ Norway. We lost the cold wars to protectionism.
So may be instead of having tariffs on things like Italian shoes, French Cheese/Wine, a dodgy CAP system, we can sit down with the wto and others and say, we don't need these tariffs, so trade freely, but we need these, what do you need and trade it off, Like countries/people do.

I stick to reputable edited or peer reviewed sources.
If you say the information is out there, it is up to you to prove it.
If you cannot prove it I shall feel justified in regarding your assertion as baseless.

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Your arrogance is admirable!!

I too have a penchant for reputable edited or peer reviewed sources.

It really isn't difficult at all to find a wealth of reputable, peer reviewed information regarding globalisation.

It is not my job to tutor you in it - if you're truly interested you will look it up; if you're not - well, I couldn't give a flying fuck tbh.

Doubletrouble,
Pigs, sorry, but JSR and other pig breeds in ERYC export both high quality livestock and semen (sorry) to China and Far east, huge market apparently, we breed superior pigs

Good luck with that, op. I'm mad as hell and won't shut up.

Lada cars;
Bridlington was the import hub for Lada cars, until EU engine regs kill trade, lots of jobs in local economy lost.
Not saying bring back Lada, but a thawing with Russia would open doors for ports like Hull.

Bridlington was the import hub for Lada cars, until EU engine regs kill trade but hopefully saved lives.

Not really sure we need to be predicating UK economic success on importing 30 year old technology (as Ladas were in the 1980s).

User - keep going, I'm sure you can think of loads of things we can import/export!!

A warm brexit arms welcome to gussy,
and plus a warm handshake/ hug, or possibly or it's horrible outside.
Can I ask if you mad due to us leaving or because we make a complete mess of it.
I think that's in the sprit of the op
I hope you get similar of the remain side too.

double
Pre the EU free trade deal we exported about £2m worth to them then after it we now export £90m worth. So the % increase in trade with a free trade deal can be massive.
And what was on the OTHER SIDE of that deal ?
Lots and lots of cheap electronics flooding into the UK and increasing the trade deficit
and lots of visas for Koreans into the EU

user147
a thawing with Russia would open doors for ports like Hull.
What does Russia export other than oil and gas and spyware?
And imports are great but they increase the trade deficit.
What would we export to Russia ?
And do you really trust Putin ?

I'm mad because of the vote to Leave. I voted Remain. I've posted a lot on these threads and am pretty sick of being told to shut up and support a thing I disagree with.
As you bloody well were.

Player two has joined the game

Lada cars are great in snow. I used to live there. You can park it next to the free trampoline we are all getting for leaving the EU. Don't bump into the unicorns or drive over the fairies' toes while you are at it.

My parents used to drive Ladas so I have a fondness for them. But importing them again would be to reduce our environmental standards and therefore the quality of the air we all breathe. The EU didn't just create car quality rules as something to do on an away day but because it benefited the citizens of the EU. If you reduce air and safety controls and import very cheap cars again you will also impact car workers in Sunderland and Oxford.

Lada cars;
Bridlington was the import hub for Lada cars, until EU engine regs kill trade, lots of jobs in local economy lost.
Not saying bring back Lada, but a thawing with Russia would open doors for ports like Hull.

Please tell me you have a better example than this - scary stuff.

Re an FTA with South Korea:

South Korea will be reluctant to replicate the terms of the EU-South Korea FTA for the UK, because it would expect a better deal with the UK than it managed to negotiate with the EU (because the EU has an economy 10 times larger than South Korea, whereas the UK economy is only twice the size of South Korea).

Even if South Korea and the UK could agree to replicate the terms of the EU-South Korea agreement, the “rules of origin” in the deal could mean tariffs on many manufactured goods from the UK (such as cars) as a result of the large content of parts from elsewhere in the EU, which would count as made in a “third country” once the UK has left the EU.

So not as simple as Dr Fox would have you believe.

Jacob Rees Mogg wants Brexit to allow the UK to drop to the same air quality standards as India
Link to video of him saying so

DG I think we do it's call Dacia, and its second hand Renault or skoda or seat which are often older VW or Audi products, badged to sell cheaper.
Lincolnshire sausages, pork pies, wenleysdale cheese (with free Wallace and grommet)
Rare breeds, we have 100's often suited to difficult climates.
Gin
prawns and crabs, frozen peas/Yorkshire puddings( both produced in Hull) and frozen chips (Scarborough)
Beers and Lagers, seems to 100's of micro brewery's around us, I guessing cider and English wines too.
Sorry boring now, but simple things to export.

user
There is nothing stopping us exporting them worldwide now.
How will leaving the EU make that magically happen ?

I grew up helping my DF run a motor repair workshop. One thing I do know is cars. I really haven't got time to go into how bad Ladas were. Except when we used to fix them, my DF commented that they were built like the cars he drove in the 40s.

If you stripped one down, you could actually see the industrial processes the Russians simply couldn't invest in. No cables for a start ...

How they got a man into space I really wonder.

Even BL cars were better than Lada - and that's saying something.

(See also: Yugo, and Polenz).

Beers and Lagers, seems to 100's of micro brewery's around us, I guessing cider and English wines too.

That's about 0.01% of the UK economy sorted.

Next ?

DG
I raise you a Trabant