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This may be the last Brexit Arms thread that I will host.

It was intended to be a non-partisan and relatively light hearted thread for posters on both sides of the divide, but unfortunately this seems to have proved impossible so far.

It is not supposed to be a place for the disgruntled Remainer to use as an outlet to abuse and kick out at their perceived enemy.

I will give it one last go in the hope that things will change.

So.... onwards to Brexit....

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I think the big trading bloc model of the EU is outdated, too protectionist & perpetuates inequalities).

Maybe we could mention this when we look to strike a trade deal with the US and China.

Hasen - He did, he spoke about South Korea and Canada. He talked about how we would propose that we gain trade deals in alinement with the current trade deals the EU already has. He talked quite specifically about how we would not entre into any deals that would destroy our agriculture and would not go into deals that would undermine the NHS etc. He said that staying in the CU would mean we had no veto on any deals being done by the EU in the future so could not guarantee protection for British interests. He talked about service industries and tech. which we are very good at and how we could develop these.

Faith - He talked about the massive increase in the middle classes within China and how this would impact on our ability to increase our sales of our quality products including financial services. He also talked about Africa and how the middle class in these countries will increase dramatically in the future and how. if we can do free trade deals with developing countries we can reduce their reliance on international help and be able to help themselves out of extreme poverty.

Maybe we could mention this when we look to strike a trade deal with the US and China.

What do trade deals with US & China have to do with trade deals with other countries?

Will US & China ban us from making deals with other countries?

we would not entre into any deals that would destroy our agriculture and would not go into deals that would undermine the NHS etc
So that is the USA and South america off the list

the massive increase in the middle classes within China and how this would impact on our ability to increase our sales of our quality products including financial services
But what will the Chinese want in return ??
Goodbye UK steel and plastics

Africa and how the middle class in these countries will increase dramatically in the future
And what will they want in return ..... Free movement

if we can do free trade deals with developing countries we can reduce their reliance on international help and be able to help themselves out of extreme poverty
What will we be buying from them that we do not already ?

I'll find his speech later if I've time Double.

That's the sort of future I want - blocs like the EU encourage dependency wrt the developing countries and prevents their flourishing.

The former Globalisation model was proved to be crap by the crash, a new version is emerging & I'd prefer for the U.K. to be in the vanguard rather than trapped in a broken system.

FaithHope
The former Globalisation model was proved to be crap by the crash, a new version is emerging
Link please ?

The WTO is still most definitely calling the shots on global trade after all
in its unelected, unaccountable glory

Did you see the Victoria Derbyshire show.
They were saying about how year on year the percentage of trade the EU are responsible for was decreasing, and how the world as a whole is gearing up as other continents are coming through with wanting to trade .

mummy There are lots of impossibles we aren't going off to colonize an empty planet, we are removing ourselves from an interwoven group of countries. Once we have extracted ourselves from the complex groups of agreements we are currently in we are not heading out to an unregulated space. Unless we want to be a state like North Korea there are a series of international rules and regulations we need to adhere to. It is not that this is impossible but it is difficult and hard choices will have to be made. It is not unreasonable to ask people who favor this course of action what hard choices they support making and what they expect to gain.

mummy
They were saying about how year on year the percentage of trade the EU are responsible for was decreasing, and how the world as a whole is gearing up as other continents are coming through with wanting to trade .
Who is they and where is the evidence for their assertions?

Faith
I think we are a crossed purposes.
You, surfer, mummy and others welcomed with friendship.
Another poster said they regretted voting leave, bear said to them welcome so gracefully to admit your mistake, its so hard to admit your wrong, but called be a bigot.
You copy and pasted bears lovely welcome to the leave regretter to me, but said bear won't say it to you.
SO thanks I respect all leavers, but bear still hasn't said that welcome, so you where right
if I upset you,
You and surfer helped convince me brexit could work, spoke to you on the JRM at UWE thread
Sorry for misunderstanding

Talkin - As you already know we can't do trade deals till after we leave so your point was pointless!
Ports like Hull could be revitalised when there is lots of free trade being done by us all around the world.
Desperately - the last thing we want is to be protectionist. We want free trade. We will not need to have any influence over the EU when all we are is a trading partner! We are and never have been 'one of the smaller economic players' we are the 6th largest global economy in the world.

I expect to gain the right to not have to upkeep a bloated budget of an over expensed organisation, that refuse to see that with a large portion of their Income being removed, they need to cut the budget and not simply charge the members more.
I see us as not being CHARGED for doing well, to be able to spend any profits from our GDP on projects we as a country decide would benefit our regions. And don't tell me that for 40 years we haven't been just trading, we have been paying in and paying in, and yet it seems there are no Assets from all this expenditure, and yet there have been mass building programs for EU temples of worship for the might EURO.

I want us to be able to trade again, and make our own mistakes, and to be able to rectify them as we see fit, we can still have banking and industry, it's not going to stop.

double
Ports like Hull could be revitalised when there is lots of free trade being done by us all around the world.
HOW ?
Which countries do we not already trade with that will suddenly want to send stuff through Hull?

You bandy about free trade like its fairy dust.
Free trade deals mean both sides have to compromise and accept losses at home and change their rules to fit with the other.
WHICH COUNTRY will provide a Free trade deal that will make Hull great again?

Link please ?

Google is your friend

Faith

*What do trade deals with US & China have to do with trade deals with other countries?

Will US & China ban us from making deals with other countries?*

No, this was just in response to your comment about the big trading bloc model being outdated, protectionist and perpetuating inequalities. I was just saying that powerful traders such as the US and China will still set the agenda (which I agree may well be protectionst and foster inequalities) when it comes to seeking a trade deal with them, not other individual countries.

User I also think anyone is welcome here.
I have not changed how I feel since the vote, and see life as different once we leave.
But yes you do get called names and said your views are wrong, demands for answers, when we all know there are none right now. I can see how angry people who post on here are and do wonder if some have taken to attacking to cover their lack of control in the Real world, as I bet many would never comment to anyone, as most people are willing to just let what will be .. simply be.

if I upset you,

You didn't!
It is impossible to upset me

I can see how angry people who post on here are and do wonder if some have taken to attacking to cover their lack of control in the Real world,

I've wondered this too mummmy.

Talkin
Globalisation before 2008, is seen by many people as capitalism gone mad, built on dodgy loans and corrupt banking.
The world is now much more regulated, also the exploitation of developing countries is seen as wrong, aid is failing, not just OXFAM sex, but it is proved trade and business helps poor countries more.
People want a different way, I like mummy2017 clean slate and Tory/Labour we will make Brexit ideas, it can be as good or as bad as you want.
British steel at Scunthorpe is exporting record amounts of steel to China, why? Because it is high quality specialist steel, which China and poor countries struggle to produce.
I think I read at a steel industry forum, both Tory&Labour parties agreeing to import duties/ demands for Uk steel to be used in all Uk infrastructure once we leave EU. I believe we can't do that now. Sure others will know better.

Faithhope
Google is your friend
It is, and it does not support your assertion.

I think I read at a steel industry forum, both Tory&Labour parties agreeing to import duties/ demands for Uk steel to be used in all Uk infrastructure once we leave EU. I believe we can't do that now. Sure others will know better.
I'd like to see that link as such things are contrary to WTO rules (as Trump has found out in the USA)

You can find stuff on Google to support anything you want look harder,

You can find stuff on Google to support anything you want look harder,
I stick to reputable edited or peer reviewed sources.
If you say the information is out there, it is up to you to prove it.
If you cannot prove it I shall feel justified in regarding your assertion as baseless.

user this was one of the choices I was talking about, using U.K. steel in U.K. projects would be possible although I would argue a protectionist rather than free trade route. One reason that U.K. does not only use its own steel is cost, our projects will cost more if we use it so ultimately taxes somewhere will be higher to cover raised costs. Or we could make our production costs lower, this would mean reducing safety standards, environmental protections, pensions, workers rights and pay. Another issue may be free trade with China given that Steel is one of their major exports and likely to be part of any trade deal. So it is possible but not consequence free.

Forgot to add possible WTO sanctions being applied to us as well. All is not possible out there.