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This may be the last Brexit Arms thread that I will host.

It was intended to be a non-partisan and relatively light hearted thread for posters on both sides of the divide, but unfortunately this seems to have proved impossible so far.

It is not supposed to be a place for the disgruntled Remainer to use as an outlet to abuse and kick out at their perceived enemy.

I will give it one last go in the hope that things will change.

So.... onwards to Brexit....

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Oh yeah, forgot that you don’t actuslly want any discussion on how things work. Just “UK good, EU bad”.

Agnes,
My 16 yr old and I campaigned remain in Hull and ERYC, fairly thankless task.
Everything I have said about Hull and Humber and Eu was said to me on the streets and doorsteps.
We lost 66 to 34%
Since then I have not sulked, I and son have engaged with as many leavers as we could.
They have encouraged to beleive there is a future outside the EU
Non have changed their minds.
Sorry but the EU and Uk governments let us rot, people had had enough.
Rightly or wrongly they voted for change.
Because many said whether Tory or Labour in charge, in the EU, it is poor, so out of eu, we can change it
I disagreed, but seeing for last 20 months the EU have done nothing to assist us to deal with the decision, we maybe they were right

User147
What POSITIVE changes do you expect for Hull after Brexit ?

for last 20 months the EU have done nothing to assist us to deal with the decision
Sorry, what ?
The UK is part of the EU
What would you expect the rest of the EU to be doing exactly ?

We can trade globally within the EU, no one is stopping us, our business' have found it cheaper and easier to trade within our EU trading block but we can trade outside. I remember Germany has five times the trade with China we do? But I won't bother checking as sources aren't needed here.
Our EU neighbors with trade with us but not at the same rates they trade with people who have paid their club membership.

rocketgirl can I ask what realignment of values you see happening? What do you see as British values that we are unable to express while part of the EU?

We can trade globally within the EU,

Well, Germany can ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43166956

Any Leavers care to explain why the UK needs to leave the EU to also do such deals ? Because it clearly doesn't.

Now maybe if more UK firms put more effort in to making such deals, and a little less into giving directors financial blowjobs we'd be reading about more UK firms doing deals across the world.

rocketgirl
We will return to our global trading roots, and make deals around the world and strength our economy further
Which countries would you want to trade with that we do not at present ?

For as long as we're bound to the EU, we are bound to its protectionist agenda.

Freed from its shackles we can set our own agenda, and pursue a more progressive globalist vision.

faithhope
For as long as we're bound to the EU, we are bound to its protectionist agenda.
Freed from its shackles we can set our own agenda, and pursue a more progressive globalist vision.
That is a very nice sound bite. Who wrote it?

So you want to cut import tariffs on American meat and grain - goodbye UK agriculture.
You want to cut import tariffs on Chinese steel and plastics - goodbye UK industry
You want to cut import tariffs on New Zealand Lamb - goodbye upland farming

And as the USA is one of the more protectionist countries in the world, they will shaft the UK not help it.
Ditto China ~ ditto Brazil ~ ditto Indonesia

*We can trade globally within the EU,

Well, Germany can* ...

Just watched a video my DS has sent me from Yokohama. He and his wife went to a German trade festival, which was hugely well-attended and well organised. Lots of well-known German firms represented (Stihl, VW and so on), along with the usual beer and sausages and other general cultural symbols. He's been to others before (they actually have Oktoberfest twice a year, that's how pushy their brand marketing can be!).

By contrast, I can't recall him mentioning a UK trade fair since he's been there, certainly not this sort of "soft power" public event. If Germany can do it within the constraints of the EU and we gain the same access through the EU/Japan trade treaty, why does the UK feel the need to go it alone and try to develop a market presence there from scratch?

@Hasenstein at least quitters can blame the EU and feel good about themselves for a few years before shit seriously hits the fan. Def worth it.

Nasty protectionist EU - embracing the U.K. as one of the dominant leading members for 40 years, and only securing our trade with the following countries.

United States
China
Switzerland
Russia
Turkey
Norway
Japan
South Korea
India
Brazil
Canada
Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Mexico
Hong Kong
Singapore
South Africa
Taiwan
Algeria
Australia
Vietnam
Malaysia
Thailand
Israel
Morocco
Nigeria
Egypt
Ukraine
Indonesia
Kazakhstan
Tunisia
Serbia
Qatar
Bangladesh
Argentina
Iraq
Chile
Azerbaijan
Colombia
Philippines
Angola
Libya
Pakistan
Kuwait
Belarus
Peru
Bosnia-Herzegovina
New Zealand
Iran
Macedonia

For as long as we're bound to the EU, we are bound to its protectionist agenda.

And so is Germany.

So, once again how does Germany get to do massive trade deals with China, while the UK watches Strictly ?

Explain to us remainers of very little brain how one member country of the EU is swanning around the globe making the very business deals that the slightly thicker members of another EU country say can't be done ?

Oh, hang on. I've got it.

Blue passports.

Sneaky Krauts.

If being in the EU was so wonderful - I wonder why 17 million people wanted to leave?

It’s a mystery isn’t it.
But that’s what happens when you give everyone the vote - damn!

Surfer because decades of anti EU propaganda was very successful.

That is a very nice sound bite. Who wrote it?

Me.

If being in the EU was so wonderful - I wonder why 17 million people wanted to leave?

I'd like to know the honest reason too. But - as with trade deals - as soon as a Brexiteer pops one up, and it's shown to be horsefeathers, we just get told "deal with it". Thus demonstration that - for all my head up arseness - there is no rationality behind Brexit.

Little tip for the Leaver Birds. The best way to win over rational people is with rational arguments. So where are they ? Or has "because I say so" become valid political discourse. Moving out of marriages into politics, eh ? The way forward.

You may all be comfortable with the colonial aspirations of the EU project, but I am not.

Ah, propaganda - do you think that’s what you’re falling for?
Or is it only leave voters who are easily fooled?

"It’s a mystery isn’t it."

It's not at all. Just this thread alone lays bare the extent of the indoctrinated people's confusion.

"Hull has done great for the past 5 years therefore we must leave the EU" is certainly up there.

Did any of you watch Liam Fox?

Little tip for the Leaver Birds. The best way to win over rational people is with rational arguments. So where are they ? Or has "because I say so" become valid political discourse. Moving out of marriages into politics, eh ? The way forward.

Little tip for the Remoaner posse - if you are so desperate for tedious, circular debate, raking over the same ground that you have done for the last two years, then start your own 'rational debate and analysis of Brexit' thread.
The way forward!

Or alternatively, utilise the existing Westminster threads.

Why do you all have this incessant need to bitch at/about Brexiters? It's pathetic.

Little tip for you - why don’t you go away.

There are so many layers of meta in a comment calling for rational debate to be dismissed without rational debate that I fear the Universe may have been broken.

For as long as we're bound to the EU, we are bound to its protectionist agenda.

And you still haven't actually demonstrated any fact in that assertion. If you haven't got any, just own up. If you have, let's hear it.

Little tip for you - why don’t you go away.

Make me.

I wonder who can get this thread pulled quickest ?