The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

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Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

The back peddling there is astounding time yet you are still completely wrong.

We haven’t yet moved on to trade talks precisely because we can’t reach an agreement on the NI border and leaving SM/CU

Decembers agreement was ‘sufficient progess’

We haven’t actually come up with any details yet.

Do you not read or listen to anything Brexit related as it’s happening?

Do check the weather forecast before making such flippant comments and running away ....

Where is the OP?
Hopefully they are looking up answers to my questions ....

talk it is pitiful.

Even I’m shocked that time had the audacity to say she should have made 2 sentences out of the point I just quoted her on, when she’d specifically joined the 2 points with the words ‘and at the same time’

You just can’t discuss this stuff with people who can so easily convince themselves black is white.

I'd like to be reassured
I deal with Brexiters all the time at work
most of the stuff they are angry about comes from Whitehall not Brussels
I struggle to see how they think Brexit will make Whitehall less dysfunctional.

Do you not read or listen to anything Brexit related as it’s happening?

I do actually have a life outside of MN funnily enough, I would argue that some people appear to have too much time on their hands which would explain a lot.

Even I’m shocked that time had the audacity to say she should have made 2 sentences out of the point I just quoted her on, when she’d specifically joined the 2 points with the words ‘and at the same time’

You’re just amusing me now Bear

You’re just amusing me now Bear

Fair enough, that’s better than you who’s made a right fool of yourself now.

If you’re going to post comments as facts you might want to bother your arse checking they have some basis in reality first.

Fair enough, that’s better than you who’s made a right fool of yourself now

I don’t think I have and that’s all that matters to me. You can think what you like.

Do check the weather forecast before making such flippant comments and running away .. I stand corrected sunny on Thursday so shopping will have to wait until then.

Bear - I really do wonder about you lot. Seems to me you are the ones making a fool of yourselves.

Did none of you read the KPMG article linked by time? Obviously not other wise you would see that what is being suggested is not specific to the Ireland/NI border but to all our borders with the EU. So would have absolutely no impact on Scotland or any other devolved part of the UK.

The KPMG article also suggests that there be a virtual border and that we have trusted traders so no need to have massive customs checks at Dover et al.

If you study the figures for UE staff working in the NHS you will see that actually there are more people from Non EU countries working for the NHS than EU nationals. The only figures available are self reported figures and also include staff leaving to work in other sectors or leaving due to retirement or on maternity leave. The figures do not state that there are loads of people leaving because of Brexit or that there is a dramatic exodus of EU staff at all.

As for the idea that we are going to have major problems if we no longer have the free trade deals the EU have with 53 other countries! well most of these countries are pretty minor and are certainly not our traditional trading partners. Remember only 8% of our trade is done with the EU so I wouldn't think the % can be very much from these 53 countries. I will try and find out.

We are not going to become some insignificant little country just because we will have left the EU. We are one of the largest trading nations in the world so lets stop this silly put down once and for all.

so what the fuck are you lot doing on here?

Ah, life outside the Brexiteer environs. It is a public forum and open to the general public.

If people want to be shielded from the general public, whats app groups can be created for a select bubble of people.

When Farage went to Dublin, he called for more debate on Ireland leaving the EU. Mairead McGuinness, MEP, said she offered to go on telly to debate him about it so. He declined. I bet the Beeb was run along those lines. But didn't tell the public they wouldn't appear with anyone who knew their onions. Uncorrected or unopposed propaganda.

Mind you, even May didn't have the gumption or courage of her convictions to appear on TV with anyone during the election.

twitter.com/MaireadMcGMEP?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

The problem with getting agricultural workers from outside the EU is who is actually going to be able to afford to come? There's a big difference in the cost of a coach and ferry from Europe and a long distance flight from say India or China. The middle classes from those countries are unlikely to want to pay that much to come and do agricultural work and the working classes are likely to be unable to afford to.

Ghost - As far as I can see a 'virtual border' is for trade and has nothing to do with passenger traffic.
'illegals' will be sniffed out just the same as they are now !

Susan - The EU doesn't stretch all the way to India and China! There are other countries people may come from and they do at the moment - just look at the NHS more Non EU staff are employed there than EU staff.

Andrea Leadsom has the nurses sorted. She kept going on about getting Vietnamese nurses.

Mind you, nurses homes are long gone. Accommodation is expensive and wages aren't all that. Will they have to keep looking over their shoulders in case of deportation?

Makes no difference where the nurses come from Cailleach EU or non EU they all have to live somewhere so that's no argument against non EU workers. If the Government says we should get nurses from else where why would they then want to deport them?

On what basis would non-EU nurses be admitted to the UK? Would they have to apply for a work visa? How much would that cost and who would pay? At present some NHS Trusts are unable to appoint non EU doctors that they have already offered jobs because the number of visas for medical staff have been issued for the year.

Remember only 8% of our trade is done with the EU

Way out!
in 2016, 48% of UK exports went to the EU and 54% of imports came from the EU.

visual.ons.gov.uk/uk-trade-partners/ There's quite a few interesting stats there.

I don't like the idea that EU imports will be merely 'waved' through at customs post March 2019 - if ever there was a smugglers and counterfeiters charter, this is it.

Even Sweden and Norway, who have a 'virtual' border and are both in the EEA with 'free movement' have some custom controls, with piles of paper-work and long delays for lorry drivers. www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41412561. The people who live near the M20 are going to have to get used to Operation Stack running permanently.

PS thanks to those PP who have actually engaged on these matters, from either perspective.

Good morning leavers, ( & people looking forward instead of backwards ) ☀️🌈☀️🌈

Boris Johnson will be making a speech today that could have been written by me, so looking forward to that!

Ghost - As far as I can see a 'virtual border' is for trade and has nothing to do with passenger traffic.
'illegals' will be sniffed out just the same as they are now !

Except what constitutes "illegal" will change post Brexit. EU Citizen flies to Dublin, takes bus up to Belfast. Thats not "taking back control" of borders the much lauded slogan of project clusterfuck.

boris Johnson will be making a speech today that could have been written by me, so looking forward to that!

Yes, you or any other Leaver by the sounds of it surfer

It's just more flag waving bravado bollocks.

Rule Britannia isn't going to get us through this.

It's pathetic that you are all so taken in by this nonsense.

Boris, the man who endorsed the 350 mil a week line. Leavers still worship him despite the bollocks. Proof again that Brexit is truly a cult.

Corcory Cailleach EU or non EU they all have to live somewhere so that's no argument against non EU workers.

The pound has already taken a hit against the Euro. EU nurses have already stopped coming in previous numbers. Others are leaving. Brexit not happened yet.

That is with BoE pumping 250/300 billion into the economy post Brexit to shore everything up. Interesting to see what happens after March 2019.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/17/nhs-england-hospital-staffing-one-in-10-nurses-quit-each-year