The Leavers Lagoon - for people positive about our future outside of the EU.

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Good morning

Voting to leave the European Union was a monumental decision, and one that will change the direction of our Country for decades to come.
I see that as an exciting opportunity & something to be welcomed & celebrated.

So, if you see solutions instead of problems, if you see a better future for the citizens of U.K., free from the constraints of an organisation we had no control over, then this place is for you.
Of course not everything is going to run smoothly, maybe not for years, because leaving a union drowning in red tape was never going to be easy, but we are forward thinking progressive people who know the future doesn’t just mean next week.
So, here’s to our new future,
To the future of the U.K.
The countdown begins.........

The problem is many people had an issue with immigration and how they felt British towns were changing due to multi-culturalism. Also that they were taking British jobs and squeezing wages.

If leavers on this thread don't have a problem with immigration, absolutely fine but it is at odds with what other leavers want. The supposed changing landscape of British society due to immigration formed a large part of the referendum argument.

I think if you asked most of us want 'controlled immigration'.

Making it more advantageous to take on Apprentices rather than employing ready trained people from the EU on minimum wage for instance.

I agree but when you've got a government cutting bursaries for student nurses I have little faith in anything meaningful coming out apprenticeship drives.

Cutting down on the Sports direct etc. warehouse model where they employ EU workers at min. wage, housing them in 'hostel' type accommodation under work and housing terms we in the UK would not tolerate.

Again, I'm not convinced that the government will do anything positive for workers rights post Brexit. With employment being low there will continue to be a need for foreign workers. We seem to "tolerate" zero hour contracts, under employment, wage stagnation. As with housing we tolerate council house sell offs and the insecurity of private renting. Difficult to see many changes after Brexit. The British government isn't looking after the poorest as it is - see universal credit mess, food banks etc

Not living in a farming community I often wondered why the vote to leave was so high. A quick google seemed to raise a common theme in relation to unfair application of the CAP payment:

An ironic snippet here for remainers:
Billionaire Brexit backer Sir James Dyson's farming business was the biggest private recipient of EU basic payments in the UK in 2016, receiving £1.6 million, Greenpeace said.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-farming-subsidies-billionaires-high-uk-rich-list-recipients-brexit-james-dyson-earl-rosebery-cap-a7815871.html

I think if you asked most of us want 'controlled immigration'.

You mean what the UK gov could do now but chooses not to?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/31/britain-take-back-control-immigration-eu-directive-brexit

We should welcome people what ever there race, creed of nationality.

Statements like this in conjunction with a host of other hints, including a few rather quite striking examples of outlandish grammar lead me to believe that a significant proportion of Leave supporters here are rather unrepresentative of the general Leave voter population. Not judging whether this is good or bad, it's just that it makes the minority debate a bit pointless. Not sure people in Sunderland are worried about their basmati rice imports being in danger, given that they don't seen seem to care about their car factories potentially getting shut down.

An ironic snippet for leavers too:

Brexiter Dyson warns government not to cut farm subsidies

Farmers will be at a competitive disadvantage against their European counterparts if the government cuts subsidies after the UK leaves the EU, billionaire Brexit backer James Dyson warns.

Looks like Dyson is quite keen to hold onto his £1.6 million payout.

www.fwi.co.uk/news/brexiteer-dyson-warns-government-not-cut-farm-subsidies.htm

Agnes - I’m quite sure he is. Working on the assumption that Gove does what he says he is going to do (which isn’t a given) then James is going to have to kiss that goodbye.

Exactly time, The CAP payment is of little use to our farmers who really need it. Multi millionaire certainly shouldn't be getting it.
Went we leave we will be able to sort that out.
London mum, I think your statement shows more about your misconceptions about leave voters.
Anyway what has basmati rice got to do with it?

time I’m sure Dyson will cope - after all there’s still nothing like owning agricultural land to avoid inheritance tax when he pops his clogs

Brilliant thread - so glad to hear that this is where to come for solutions. I am really keen to hear the solution to how to have a secure border between the UK and the EU without having a border between Northern Ireland and mainland UK, between Northern Ireland and Ireland, or between Ireland and the rest of the EU. Solutions will be so much nicer to think about, so I am really positive about having a thread in which this and other issues will be happily resolved.

Corcory UK farmers producing more of the food we consume is a good thing , especially from an environmental impact point of view . I think leavers and remainers can agree on that .
What I was trying to understand was why leaving the EU would mean a sudden increase in the desire to invest in technology ? Or is it simply a case of producers doing what they have always been doing , using new technology as it comes a long and when it becomes affordable to utilise ?

Never potatoe picked , but spent a few bitterly cold weeks grading , do they have machines that do that too now

Making it more advantageous to take on Apprentices rather than employing ready trained people from the EU on minimum wage for instance.
Be careful what you wish for. The new apprenticeships are nothing like the old-style ones, eg joinery/engineering etc. Our children can now be 'apprentice' waiters and 'apprentice call centre workers' - fine as entry-level jobs, but hardly warranting one year of training on £3.50/hour in order to get a piece of paper at the end, saying you're now a 'qualified' waiter. When my DC was looking for an apprenticeship, the majority were things like this - not opportunities that would give you real skills and lead towards a decent, well-paid career. Cote Cafe was advertising these 'apprenticeships' pretty much countrywide, with 'opportunities' to work evenings and weekends on half the minimum wage. The point is, some employers will always exploit people for cheap labour. Leaving the EU will not resolve problems like this.

qz.com/1198203/despite-brexit-a-record-number-of-foreign-students-want-to-study-at-uk-universities/

According to the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders:

British engine manufacturing rose 6.9% to all-time high of 2.7 million units in 2017;

Home demand is up 9.7%, while global demand rose to almost 1.5 million units;

UK engine manufacturing is now worth £8.5 billion, supporting 8,000 British jobs

All time high.

All of that sounds fabulous and has again occurred whilst we are still members of the EU .

www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/brexit/

How is the tariff free access going to work outside the CU and SM ?

All that is fabulous and has happened whilst we are in the process of leaving the EU. Stop being an ostrich.

How is the tariff free access going to work outside the CU and SM ?

No idea not an expert presumably there will be agreements on tariffs like the rest of the world trades. It's not rocket science we are leaving the CU and the SM the sky hasn't fallen in and won't. This is a thread for positives I'm under no obligation to prop up your catastrophising, sit by yourself and rock quietly in the corner if you like, but don't expect me to sympathise in your grief masturbating you lost the vote let's move on.

Fair do's , we are in the process of leaving , I will give you that , however we have not left and therefore frictionless and tariff free trade with the EU is still happening .

Did you look at the link ?

Yes Tariffs will hurt both sides

Did you read their Brexit priorities ?

Sounds as though they want BINO does it not ?

I am not catastrophizing at all , I am simply pointing out that bidding the EU a cheery wave from the white cliffs of Dover is not what industry wants or needs to continue to be successful in the UK .

To go back to OPs original post: if you see solutions instead of problems, I would love to see the solutions to:

No border controls on the Island of Ireland whilst leaving the customs union.

How we will provide the necessary infrastructure to implement custom controls between the UK and the rest of the EU (our biggest trading partner) in 13 months?

How we will fill the vacancies for skilled staff in the NHS once EU free-movement stops. Will Hunt re-instate the nursing bursary?

How soon will the first trade agreement be signed?

Will the Tories scrap VAT (an EU tax)?